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Iris Seeds from 2023 Season
Posted on Jan 18, 2024 8:06 PM

I only attempted a few crosses in spring 2023 and unfortunately only one of those was successful. However, the cross that did work was the one I am most anticipating (yay!) and the seed yield was pretty good!

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65 seeds in the first pod and 21 in the second (the second bloom I pollinated was one of the last blooms), making for a total of 86 seeds!

Since 'Spendthrift' is a luminata and 'Ken Ware' a plicata, the progeny will have some combination of the plicata (pl), luminata (lu) and glaciata (gl) alleles. The ratio of offspring will help me determine how many copies of the plicata allele 'Ken Ware' carries. If my maths is correct, glaciata offspring will only be present if 'Ken Ware' carries only one or two copies of the plicata allele (which I think is the case); if 'Ken Ware' has four copies of the plicata allele, then there won't be any luminatas in the offspring (instead there will be a mix of plicatas and luminata-plicatas aka fancy plicatas).

I am looking forward to seeing what the results are like!

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Iris Seeds from 2022 Season
Posted on Jan 27, 2023 11:09 PM

I tried a number of crosses in spring, but only ended up with 3 pods. Here are the results:

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Despite an insect (I suspect an earwig) burrowing into one chamber of the seed pod quite early on, this still reached maturity and produced 26 seeds. It remains to be seen how many are viable, but getting anything out of this cross will be surprising considering the damage to the pod. I don't have many IBs, so given both parents grow well for me I thought this would be an interesting experiment.

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I was really hoping for a good yield with this cross, as I was hoping to get some seedlings exhibiting the luluglgl genotype (2 copies of the luminata allele, 2 copies of the glaciata allele) to further my understanding of how plicata genetics work. 'Spendthrift' and 'Volcanic Glow' are both luminatas (luglglgl) and VG probably also carries the anthocyanin enhancer gene (since the falls are more solid than those of 'Spendthrift'), so the cross of the two should yield 25% glaciatas, 25% luluglgl genotype seedlings and 50% luminatas. Unfortunately it only produced 8 seeds! My germination rates aren't particularly high, so here's hoping that one of the few that grows is the target genotype.

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Finally, I took a chance on one of my first-flowering seedlings of ('Saffron Drift' X 'Handshake'), as it had already produced two new growths. Clearly this was highly compatible, as it produced 51 seeds in the pod! This should give me just enough to work with, as depending on whether the seedling inherited the pl allele or the gl allele from 'Handshake' affects the outcome. 5/6 seedlings will be regular (probably bicolours) and the remaining 1/6 will be one of the plicata types - either luminatas and glaciatas, or plicatas and plicata-luminatas.

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Iris Seedlings from (Saffron Drift X Handshake)
Posted on Nov 19, 2022 5:08 AM

My second Iris cross also used Tall Bearded Iris (Iris 'Saffron Drift') (SD) as the pod parent (as mentioned in my previous post, it doesn't produce pollen for me) after seeing how vigorous the first lot of seedlings from it were.



I was again aiming to introduce some of the colour from Tall Bearded Iris (Iris 'Handshake') (HS), especially since SD usually produces much taller bloom stalks than HS under my conditions.

Three of the five seedlings flowered this year for the first time. All three need further evaluation before I decide what to do with them. The variation was initially quite surprising, but after more research and thinking about it, I have a working hypothesis that explains the results thus far.

Seedling #1 is an eye-catching bitone that fades with age.
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Seedling #2 actually flowered last and was quite late (I wasn't expecting it to bloom this year). I think it is a lovely pastel, with pale lemon standards and ivory falls (with a faint Debby Rairdon pattern).
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Seedling #3 was quite surprising when it opened. The bud initially looked like it might be a green, but when it opened it was a crystal white with just green veining on the hafts. It also has the least ruffling of any the seedlings.
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How could this much variation arise from the cross? From my previous cross of 'Saffron Drift' X 'Hell's Fire', I worked out that SD probably carries two copies of the dominant anthocyanin inhibitor (IA) gene and at least two of the standards inhibitor (IAs) gene as well. If my supposition is correct, then in the SD X HS cross the seedlings could end up with any of the six possible combinations of the IA and IAs genes (e.g. 0-2 IA and 0-2 IAs). This would partially explain each of the seedlings:

  • Seedling #1 would have inherited 0x IA and 2x IAs from SD.
  • Seedling #2 would have inherited 2x IA from SD.
  • Seedling #3 would have inherited 2x IA from SD.


But what about seedlings #3 being white and hence lacking both anthocyanins and carotene pigments? Given that HS is a plicata with a white ground colour, I have to suspect that it carries exactly two copies of the carotene inhibitor gene (IC) based on the seedlings thus far:

  • Seedling #1 inherited 2x IC from HS, as the colour seems to be purely anthocyanin.
  • Seedling #2 inherited 1x IC from HS. Combined with the Debby Rairdon gene from SD, that would explain the pale yellow.
  • Seedling #3 inherited 2x IC from HS, resulting in white.


If my hypothesis is correct, then the remaining seedlings (and if I start the remaining seeds) could produce any combination of white, yellow and violet on either of the standards and falls. If I get a darktop seedling, then that would suggest that HS also carries the ICf gene (carotene inhibitor on the falls) and the falls of Seedling #2 is not just the Debby Rairdon pattern from SD.

Any comments on my suppositions are most welcome!

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Iris Seedlings from (Saffron Drift X Hell's Fire)
Posted on Nov 14, 2022 6:13 AM

Of the three genera I have tried hybridising (Iris, Lilium and Cymbidium), Irises are by far the easiest! All you need is a pair of tweezers to take the anther from one plant and gently rub the pollen off the anther and onto the stigmatic lip of the intended pod parent. Usually you'll know within a week or so if the cross was successful and a pod has started to develop.

Depending on how keen one is to get the maximum germination from a cross there are various ways to treat the seeds, but (in my climate at least), I can get around 20-30% germination by just directly sowing the seeds as soon as the pod opens. Often the first few will come up and develop before winter, after which a few more will sporadically germinate through spring.

It is the above approach that I used on my first Iris cross of 'Saffron Drift' X 'Hell's Fire'. Tall Bearded Iris (Iris 'Saffron Drift') (SD) has never produced pollen for me, but grows well and has a decent bloom count. It also has relatively strong bloom stalks (although not enough to withstand the wild weather we sometimes get, resulting in the whole fan bending over). It was these traits that I wanted to introduce to Tall Bearded Iris (Iris 'Hell's Fire') (HF) since it didn't grow as well as SD in my conditions and would often need staking.

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My lack of understanding of Iris colour inheritance really bit me on this cross. I naively figured that since SD had a bicolour parent in the form of Tall Bearded Iris (Iris 'Treasure Trader'), I could expect a mix of 50% yellows, 50% bicolours. How wrong I was!

One of the key bits of information I was missing was that tetraploid (4n) Tall Bearded Iris breed as allotetraploids and thus all 36 combinations of the chromosomes from each parent are possible (unlike SDB Irises, which breed as amphidiploids and hence the chromosomes are always grouped in pairs with one from the TB side and the other from the pumilia side; these are limited to 16 possible combinations). So that would mean only a 1 in 6 chance of a bicolour rather than 1 in 2.

Having flowered 7 seedlings thus far - all of which were basically variations on yellow, with only two showing any significant anthocyanin on the falls - I realised that there was more going on. These two seedlings did not have red falls as expected, but were a dirty yellow-brown. After more reading on colour inheritance (much of it from http://winterberryirises.com/h...), I have come to the conclusion that SD must probably carries two copies of the dominant Anthocyanin Inhibitor gene (often labelled as IA) as well at least two copies of the dominant IAs gene (anthocyanin inhibitor in the standards). HF, being a slight bitone, probably has one copy of the IAs gene.

Besides colour, the seedlings have generally been vigorous and produced new fans before the first one flowered. Unfortunately it seems that the lack of pollen exhibited by SD is a trait that dominates in its offspring, as none of the seedlings from the two crosses I have made with it have had pollen (even one that looked like it might initially did not). The other trait that SD consistently passes on to its progeny (and that I have since learnt is dominant) is haft/shouldering markings. All the seedlings have distinct veining around the hafts.

Seedling #1 is incredibly vigorous and on its second flowering, despite transplanting, produced 9 bloom stalks! It is also the earliest to flower and often beats most other TBs I have. The bloom stalks are too weak, though, so I am currently keeping with the intent to try crossing it with some SDBs (hopefully I will get a variety of vigorous intermediates as a result).
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Seedling #2 looks very similar to #1 in photos, but is a cleaner yellow.
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Seedling #3 had such a poor bud count that after its second flowering, I culled it. It had more anthocyanin on the falls than any other.
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Seedling #4 was the only other seedling with any significant anthocyanin on the falls and more of a sandy colour than a bright or pastel yellow. Often the falls would relax on the first day, but after that would flare outwards - it was the only seedling to do that. One of the latest flowering seedlings in the group. Haven't quite worked out what to do with it, but I feel like this should have potential with the right partner.
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Seedling #5 was similar enough to #1 and #2 that I decided not to keep it.
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Seedling #6 is from the second batch of seedlings I raised from this cross and so only flowered for the first time this year. Unfortunately the top of the bloom stalk broke off in wild weather, but it had developed enough that it appears to have a good number of sockets (4) and the surviving bloom socket produced 3 buds. Additionally the blooms were long-lasting (the first lasted almost 5 days, although I suspect that was partially due to the weather) and appear to have just a touch of anthocyanin in the falls, given them a slight orange-brown cast. I will definitely be watching this one next year to see what it does.
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Seedling #7 has the faintest Debby Rairdon pattern to it, harking back to its grandparent, Tall Bearded Iris (Iris 'That's All Folks').
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There is still one seedling left to bloom from this cross, which should flower in 2023 for the first time.

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My goal for this blog
Posted on Nov 14, 2022 5:05 AM

I have been thinking about creating a blog on this site for some time, but never quite had a driving reason to do so. In the last year, however, my wife and I purchased a property with a sizeable garden and now have the prospect of growing and flowering a larger number of my own seedlings.

The main genera that I grow are Liliums, Irises and Cymbidiums. I enjoy tinkering with each and have had many learning experiences and failures on the path to getting my own seedlings. This year has seen my second Iris cross start to bloom as well as the second flowering of several of my own Liliums. I have also received Cymbidium seedlings from my own crosses, although they are still some years away from flowering!

My hope is that this will serve as a way to document the results of each cross and give other growers using the same plants a bit of a headstart on what to expect from them. I will probably also share some of my other gardening experiences and occasionally some cat-related interludes!

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