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Mar 30, 2019 10:02 AM CST
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Name: Mike
Long Beach, Ca.
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I may have already asked this question in the past, so forgive me if I did.
In my garden I have ONE "own root rose" : Wild Blue Yonder. It came in a 5g container about 8 years ago, and at the time looked like any other nursery bought rose, but instead of the root stock/graft emerging from the soil there were about 5 multiple canes...which I knew meant it was own root, and the tag said it was. It's my first (and only) experience with an own root rose.

Since then, it has sent up numerous canes WIDTH-WISE from the base of the original plant and is now about 5 feet across..spreading out sort of like how runner bamboo grows. It's almost as if it's becoming a hedge. It grows just fine, about 4' tall, blooms like crazy,is very fragrant, and is disease free.

My question is: Will it continue to just get wider and wider or do they eventually reach a certain size (width) and then stop ?
I really don't want it to spread much more than it already has, so can I "shovel prune" any more canes that develop w/o hurting the whole thing ?
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Mar 30, 2019 10:12 AM CST
Name: dana aka iris28
tristate area, ky z6b
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hi, wild blue yonder is a grandiflora so they get bigish but not like some other shrub types. it wont send runners but it will send up new canes . check helpmefind.com that has more info on its typical width and height. It will taper off at a certain size I just don't know what that is lol
edit: yes you can get rid of any unwanted canes but if it were me id let the new ones live and cut off any old crappy looking ones. you can keep it any size you want with pruning.
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Mar 30, 2019 10:18 AM CST
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Name: Mike
Long Beach, Ca.
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Charter ATP Member Roses Hummingbirder Farmer Daylilies
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OK, thanks, Dana.
Heading to HMF now. Smiling
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Mar 30, 2019 11:54 AM CST
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX (Zone 9a)
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Is there actually a size limit to rose growth in California? And do the roses know about it?
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Mar 30, 2019 12:03 PM CST
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Name: Mike
Long Beach, Ca.
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Charter ATP Member Roses Hummingbirder Farmer Daylilies
Birds Cat Lover Region: California Bulbs Butterflies Garden Ideas: Level 1
Apparently not ! lol
I gave up long ago relying on the info. on roses posted by growers as far as how tall they'll get...for here, anyway.
SOME do perform as described, but many get way bigger and wider.
David Austin roses here get gargantuan in height, but the blooms on a lot of them FRY in the summer heat. Here, you can basically train almost any DA rose into a climber.
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Mar 30, 2019 4:53 PM CST
Name: Christopher
New Brunswick, NJ, USA (Zone 7a)
Just a clarification -- remember that when roses are released, their classifications are chosen by the breeders and/or introducers, and that's heavily influenced by how the rose will be marketed. Originally, Grandifloras resulted from crosses between Hybrid Teas and Floribundas, but as breeders look to widen the genepool for health, roses with other ancestry will be thrown in. So just because the "typical" Grandifloras you know don't sucker, don't assume that any rose classed as a Grandiflora won't sucker.

Most roses grown on their own roots will increase in root-mass and send up new canes a bit away from the center over time. Sometimes it's hard to draw the line between "suckering" and simply "widening the clump" because there are roses that are sort of in between, but some sort of spread is almost inevitable given enough time. I had a potted own-root 'Nigrette' (an old Hybrid Tea) for a few years -- I've since planted it at my cemetery project -- and every year, it made one sucker, which I'd pot-up and give away. When I took it out of its pot, I realized that what I thought was one plant had become two, so I separated it and planted each half.

This is why I prefer own-root roses for the garden. I understand that some people exhibit, or want cutting-quality Hybrid Teas for the vase, and so buy plants on vigorous rootstock for that purpose. If something I want will sucker widely, I plan accordingly, and put it where that isn't an issue. If a harsh Winter, disease, damage, or a need to transplant means I have to cut back severely, I know that a healthy root mass is the "heart" of the plant, and new top-growth will reappear.

:-)

~Christopher
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Mar 30, 2019 6:22 PM CST
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Name: Mike
Long Beach, Ca.
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Charter ATP Member Roses Hummingbirder Farmer Daylilies
Birds Cat Lover Region: California Bulbs Butterflies Garden Ideas: Level 1
Thanks, Christopher. Just what I wanted to know !
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