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Oct 21, 2019 7:29 AM CST
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Name: Gina
Florida (Zone 9a)
Tropical plant collector 40 years
Aroids Region: Florida Greenhouse Tropicals
Probably THE most sought after Alocasia at the moment behind Alocasia 'Dragon Scale', A. cuprea was first published to science in 1861 by Koch. It was extremely popular as a houseplant in Europe during the 'exploration' stage when people were growing plants indoors in Glass Boxes (early terrariums) and in large glass greenhouses and conservatories. But it gradually fell out of favor as plants sometimes do.

Cuprea is endemic to Borneo, growing in shaded humid forests on steep slopes above streams up to an elevation of about 2400 feet. It was first believed to be an isolated group that was only found on Mt. Kinabalu in Sabah, but was later found to also grow wild in Sarawak. However, it is considered rare in the wild. It later became more plentiful in cultivation around 2004/5 when specimens were put into tissue culture in Asian labs and made available to nurseries.

Borneo is one of the richest places on the planet for aroids. Its humid tropical forests have over 250 species in about 27 genus, and the Alocasia are one of the most widespread of these. Borneo has over 30 species of Alocasia, most are endemic. Many other alocasias of the 'jewel' group come from here, other highly collectible ones of the present time include A. nebula, A. Reginula, and A. melo which are found growing on limestone slopes and outcroppings.

The leaves of A. cuprea are almost peltate (having no or only a very small sinus) and very ovate. The undersides are purple, and the top sides can be silver, green or coppery colored. The green form of is actually considered a separate species, A. clyprolata (also called Green Shield). Some people believe that the silvery and more red forms are two different forms, but having grown this plant off and on since about 2007, it has been my experience that they are the same plant, and that the leaf color varies with the amount of light the plant receives. I know others will disagree. That's ok.

As to the proper home culture of this plant, it should be noted that it is very slow growing, and comes from a place where the humidity in the southeast states of the US would be considered dry. Yet, it grows naturally in locales that proves for very fast drainage of water, so that its roots are not kept wet. I grow mine currently in a terrarium in a mix that emulated the ABG (Atlanta Botanical Gardens) terrarium/vivarium mix. It is very chunky and very loose. Some people grow in a mixture of bark chips, pumice/crushed lava rock or very coarse perlite, chopped coconut husk and small amounts of peat. Bright light/dappled shade is optimal, and warmth year round is a necessity not as luxury, as is adequate humidity.

As recently as 2 years ago, these plants were available locally here for $10-12 each. Now, they are only available at great cost in the US (anywhere from $80-200 on the usual new 'nursery' sites like ETSY and eBay. )

These are a few photos past and present of plants I have grown and am currently growing. When I grew these in my greenhouse, they were incredibly sensitive to cold, and went dormant several times in temps that were below 60F at night. They did come back, until my heater failed one winter and many things froze. Which is why I grow them in a terrarium now.
My first started plant

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Oct 21, 2019 1:47 PM CST
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Ope, it's my dream-plant! Lovey dubby So they grow in limestone? They would really like Indiana then. Well, only our summers.

It's crazy the price jump it went through, and makes you wonder if you should just wait two more years to buy one. Thinking

It seems like it would be a good choice for me being that it tolerates dappled shade and bright light. That said, I feel like I would neglect its humidity needs. I can't bring the humidity in the house higher than 60%, as it'll negatively impact my leopard geckos.

Anyway, beautiful plants yet again! Thank you for sharing these pics so that I don't have to spend $150... yet. Hilarious!
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Oct 21, 2019 2:54 PM CST
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Name: Gina
Florida (Zone 9a)
Tropical plant collector 40 years
Aroids Region: Florida Greenhouse Tropicals
You could grow it in its own terrarium. One of the companies that supplied Petsmart (I think its Zoo Med) sells a Paludarium set up. I bought one when they were on sale last year around this time. It vertical with a door that opens. I bought it to grow mainly some Racinaea bromeliads (from the cloud forest). You can keep the humidity in that sucker over 85% easy with a reptile fogger. If you don;t use it as a paludarium (i.e don;t put water in the bottom third like an aquarium but fill it with potting mix instead) you could grow a cuprea. It comes with a hood and lights too. And some miscellaneous BS that I didn't use in mine but was able to use elsewhere
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Oct 21, 2019 3:22 PM CST
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I bought a paludarium for my crested gecko a few years ago! I need to buy a new, larger one for him, though. Hmm, new paludarium and new cuprea sounds like a very tempting idea. Thinking Crested geckos also enjoy high humidity in their enclosures, so the fogger would work, too. The only thing is, I'm not sure the cuprea would enjoy gecko poop on its leaves. Hilarious!
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Nov 16, 2019 9:13 AM CST
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Name: Gina
Florida (Zone 9a)
Tropical plant collector 40 years
Aroids Region: Florida Greenhouse Tropicals
Backlit leaf today in the terrarium #75
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I love the maroon backs of the leaves on these
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Nov 22, 2019 5:34 AM CST
Name: Helena
Switzerland
Hello Gina,
I have probably a silly question: Alocasia Cuprea and Alocasia Cuprea Red Secret - are they the same or two different plants?
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Nov 22, 2019 7:04 AM CST
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Name: Gina
Florida (Zone 9a)
Tropical plant collector 40 years
Aroids Region: Florida Greenhouse Tropicals
Well......its my firm belief that they are the same. I believe 'red secret' is a trade name. I believe this because my A. cuprous for all the years I have grown them on and off have always changed colors according to the intensity of light they are grown in.

It would surprise me greatly if 'Red Secret' is an actual patented 'new and unique variety'.
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Nov 22, 2019 7:29 AM CST
Name: Helena
Switzerland
Thank you! That's what I thought. I have one that was called Red Secret when I bought it, and another - just Cuprea, but they look very similar to me....
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Nov 22, 2019 7:33 AM CST
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Name: Gina
Florida (Zone 9a)
Tropical plant collector 40 years
Aroids Region: Florida Greenhouse Tropicals
I figured out 15 years ago that the color of cuprea was light dependent but people just did not want to believe that. We used to have some rather colorful conversations about it on older forums. Some people believe that there is a distinct silver form, a green form, and a red form. But the silver one will go through green to blush red if given high intensity light, which has led me to believe that they are actually all the same
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Nov 22, 2019 7:38 AM CST
Name: Helena
Switzerland
So, the more intense light will make it redder?
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Nov 22, 2019 7:48 AM CST
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Name: Gina
Florida (Zone 9a)
Tropical plant collector 40 years
Aroids Region: Florida Greenhouse Tropicals
That has been my experience. I think that the 'secret' is that it will blush red. but the secret that they don't want to tell you is that pretty much all of them will do this, nut just some 'special' Red Secret ones.

This is one of the things that irks me most about the nursery trade. They will try to wring the last dollar out of you by trying to convince you that you need something 'new' that you may already actually have
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Nov 22, 2019 8:35 AM CST
Name: Helena
Switzerland
Thank you so much! I'll try to move my plants, so they get maximum indirect light. Will report back when I get new leaves Smiling
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Jan 24, 2020 1:55 PM CST
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Name: Gina
Florida (Zone 9a)
Tropical plant collector 40 years
Aroids Region: Florida Greenhouse Tropicals
I did a little work in my terrarium today. I removed the Anthurium bessaea x magnificum which had gotten HUGE, potted it up and put it out in the greenhouse. Leaves were approaching 14 inches and it was shading out my Alocasia infernalis. Also harvested the little infant ALocasia cuprea that the mamas put out...it was jammed right up against the glass wall and would not have flourished long term. So its potted up in a little pot in another tank. I have also seen satellite tubers on my Alocasia 'Dewey's Reversa' and ALocasia 'Black Velvet' so I am hoping to get a few babies pop up, especially on Reversa.
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Jan 25, 2020 11:05 AM CST
Name: Adrienne
Ohio (Zone 6b)
They must love your terrarium! It looks good! Hurray!
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Mar 4, 2020 7:42 AM CST
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Name: Gina
Florida (Zone 9a)
Tropical plant collector 40 years
Aroids Region: Florida Greenhouse Tropicals
The babe has a new leaf!!!!!!!
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Mar 4, 2020 2:58 PM CST
Name: Adrienne
Ohio (Zone 6b)
Beautiful! I love the color.
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Mar 4, 2020 5:22 PM CST
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Name: Gina
Florida (Zone 9a)
Tropical plant collector 40 years
Aroids Region: Florida Greenhouse Tropicals
Its right under the grow lights LOL, that is the 'secret' of 'Red Secret'
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Mar 4, 2020 6:14 PM CST
Name: Adrienne
Ohio (Zone 6b)
That's pretty good. On January 24 there was no sign of that leaf and on March 4 it was fully emerged. It must be happy in your terrarium. Hurray!
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Mar 4, 2020 6:49 PM CST
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Name: Gina
Florida (Zone 9a)
Tropical plant collector 40 years
Aroids Region: Florida Greenhouse Tropicals
I think so....I plan to move it out the the greenhouse later and see how it does as a hanging plant on the wall.
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Mar 5, 2020 12:46 PM CST
Name: Adrienne
Ohio (Zone 6b)
There's a picture or rather a snapshot of a video I want to show you to see if you can say it's a cuprea. I'm going to look it up and post it.

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