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Apr 27, 2020 11:33 PM CST
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Salt Lake City
So I live in Salt Lake City, Utah where we have some pretty cold and typically snowy winters. We are given green waste garbage cans, and I was wondering if it would work to use it as a compost bin over the winter by filling it up with the fall leaves and the grass clippings from my last mowings of the season. Would it be there long enough from about late October to mid-April or so to have a finished product?
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Apr 28, 2020 1:36 AM CST
Name: Lynda Horn
Arkansas (Zone 7b)
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Welcome! yes, I'm thinking it would work. You would need to drill a series of holes around the barrel for air circulation. Make sure to maintain a 50/50 of green and brown compost material. Turning would be to place the lid on tight, place the container on the ground and turning it over and over. Adding chicken waste/manure in small amounts would heat the compost up and hasten the process. I live in zone 7b, and I do what I call is a cold pile every year. I just pile the compost materials in layers on the ground on a tarp. It's usually ready by mid to late April.
Good sources of green material are grass clippings, coffee grounds, vegetable peelings, (don't use onion or citrus) , used tea bags, ( remove tea from bag and throwaway bag), garden clippings, ( no weeds), manure, ( no carnivore manure, such as dog or cat), and eggshells, crushed fine. Brown material would include leaves, small shredded branches, shredded newspapers, plain white paper towels, the inside cardboard rooms of toilet paper and paper towels, shredded cereal boxes( use only if the inside of the box is a grey color), shredded all wool carpet, and shredded all cotton material. Some experts warn against using the following, but I've put them in my pile; stale bread, (break into very small pieces and let dry before adding), and plain baked tortilla chips, crumbled. They key is to use an equal mix of brown and green. The finer the ingredients are shredded, the faster the process. If you use more green it can get slimy and stinky, so add more brown. If you have more brown, it cools down and slows the process, so add more green. Often it will slow down in the winter when the green supply runs low. You can then add a 10-10-10 granulated fertilizer (sparingly) to speed it up. There are also commercial mixes on the market that contain bio fungi ingredients that can be good to use. Keep it damp but not wet, about the wetness of a damp sponge. Good luck!
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Apr 28, 2020 3:16 AM CST
Name: Yardenman
Maryland (Zone 7a)
Gardenfish gave a great answer. I will add that I'm not afraid to toss uneaten cat food and the occasional chicken skin into the mix.

You don't want to add the citrus fruit products because the acids harm the worms. I didn't know about onions. Must be the sulfur. I'm glad to learn something new every day.

I hesitate to agree with adding 10-10-10 fertilizer (though I do note "sparingly"). Any fertilizer that adds up to more than 10 is synthetic and the microbes do better with natural nutrients. Better to just add a shovelful of fertile garden or woodland soils and mix it in. Gentler and already full of the "wee beasties", LOL!

I tend to mow my yard leaves into the lawn each fall, so I don't have them to add to the compost bin. But my County offers clean free nearly-composted mulch and I add that to the compost. I have a double-bin compost system, so mixing it into the yard and kitchen waste is easy.

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Is that about the best compost bin or what? The front slats lift up through a slot, the weights of the back make the top easy to lift, and the screens keep pests out and allow air in. Sometimes there is even steam coming off it in Winter.

But composting doesn't need to be tricky. I read once about a lady who just tossed all her food scraps out the kitchen window, and always ended up with great compost. Pile planty waste up and it will break down. Just a matter of time.
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Apr 28, 2020 5:49 AM CST
Name: Sally
central Maryland (Zone 7b)
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Yes, you absolutely would need to drill holes for air and drainage, and watch your balance of material. Lynda and Yardenman gave good advice.

My caution would be, having not composted before, if you get the balance wrong, then its a cold bin full of leaves all winter. Are you OK with that? Then go for it.

I have lots of fall leaves and rarely can get a hot compost going. By October will you have enough grass to balance the leaves?

How do you plan to use the compost/leaves in April? If it isn't fully composted, it can still be tilled in, or used as a loose mulch that will decay pretty soon when air and rain and worms get to it in the garden.
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Apr 28, 2020 6:02 AM CST
Name: Lynda Horn
Arkansas (Zone 7b)
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I agree I'm using mine now, and it is mostly decomposed, but there are some leaf bits and pieces of eggshells left. No matter, I mixed it right in to the soil.
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Apr 28, 2020 6:35 AM CST
Name: Yardenman
Maryland (Zone 7a)
gardenfish said: I agree I'm using mine now, and it is mostly decomposed, but there are some leaf bits and pieces of eggshells left. No matter, I mixed it right in to the soil.


If you have a basically equal mix of brown and green stuff (and I will mention again the value of even a single shovelful of decent soil for microbes), and toss it around a bit to spread the microbes, you will get good compost.

Happy composting!
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Apr 28, 2020 11:10 AM CST
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Salt Lake City
Thank you guys!! Lots of helpful info from some experienced gardeners. I'm going to save Gardenfish's List.

I love Yardenman's bin. I would never guess it had decomposing matter inside-very aesthetically appealing. I may have to steal the design. Big Grin

Good point sallyg- I don't mind having a pile of leaves and grass in there if I don't get it to work well. I'll just have them dump it come spring or just till it in. I think I'll just try it with everyone's advice.
I just thought it would be better to utilize that 60+ gallon empty can over the winter than to have it sit empty. I'll have to come back and let you guys know how it goes! Thank You!
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Apr 28, 2020 11:28 AM CST
Name: Rj
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May 1, 2020 11:34 PM CST
Name: Yardenman
Maryland (Zone 7a)
Learning2grow said:Thank you guys!! Lots of helpful info from some experienced gardeners. I'm going to save Gardenfish's List.

I love Yardenman's bin. I would never guess it had decomposing matter inside-very aesthetically appealing. I may have to steal the design. Big Grin

Good point sallyg- I don't mind having a pile of leaves and grass in there if I don't get it to work well. I'll just have them dump it come spring or just till it in. I think I'll just try it with everyone's advice.
I just thought it would be better to utilize that 60+ gallon empty can over the winter than to have it sit empty. I'll have to come back and let you guys know how it goes! Thank You!


Feel free to steal the design, but if you want details on the construction, check here. https://cavebearslair.blogspot...

BTW, it has spring-loaded hooks on both sides of the top (good luck raccoons solving THAT), a rope I hold to prevent the top opening too fast, and I want to see a rat try to get through 1/4" wire mesh! LOL!
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May 1, 2020 11:43 PM CST
Name: Yardenman
Maryland (Zone 7a)
I will add that Mike Mcgraff (former editor of Organic Gardening and current local news radio host for gardening spots) declared it the best compost bin he had ever seen.
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May 2, 2020 6:01 AM CST
Name: Sally
central Maryland (Zone 7b)
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Thanks for the picture, they look great Thumbs up
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