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Aug 21, 2021 2:29 PM CST
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Hello, i would like to plant a climbing rose along a wire fence (almost 6 feet tall, very long) which has a lot a sun all day, the summer is very hot and dry, especially the afternoon sun is very strong. I would like a white/light pink rose, repeat-flowering and if possible fragrant. I was thinking about Penny Lane or possibly Nahema, though i read nahema is moody... Would this work? could Clair Matin be trained horizontally? what other roses would you recommend?
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Aug 21, 2021 2:37 PM CST
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Where are you planning to grow this rose: country, area, zone, etc.?
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Aug 21, 2021 4:33 PM CST
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southern romania, europe, zone 7a/b, very hot and dry summers (often 35-38C/100F), like italy, but cold winters.
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Aug 22, 2021 5:00 AM CST
Tuscany, Italy
My own garden here in Italy is exposed to the south-west, so the sun is terribly strong. The bright light washes the colours out a LOT, so to the eye a pale pink tends to "read" as white. On top of this fact, the heat and sun tend to make the colours of many roses "wash out" a good deal. So you may want to consider a rose that in close-up photos seems a darker, more saturated colour than the one that you are aiming for. To me, a rose of the colour of Nahema or Penny Lane might work better in some shade, so of the three you mention I'd vote for Clair Matin. I don't know about it's growth habit, however. I did grow it, and it is a great rose, but mine was planted too deep, and ended out kind of dwindling away,so it never had a chance to develop as a climber. This was entirely my fault, however; it was one of my first roses and I just didn't know what I was doing...
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Aug 22, 2021 7:48 AM CST
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thank you! i will put Penny lake in a bit a shade, then, i have fallen in love with it... and maybe give Clair Matin a try?
I have found another one, pure white, Climbing Mrs. Herbert Stevens which gets a lot of praise, but i don't find any information about her behaviour in hot/dry areas...
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Aug 22, 2021 7:54 AM CST
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i am curious, could you please tell me what roses perform best in your Tuscany garden? petals which don't frill in the sun easily, last longer...
the conditions seem to be similar with mine.
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Aug 25, 2021 5:02 AM CST
Tuscany, Italy
Aralya, I'm not sure that our conditions are that similar, lol! My situation is VERY particular.
My garden is in a woodland area,on a hill that is about 600 meters above sea level, about a 20-minute drive from my home in our town. There is no running water out there, so plants must rely on rainfall after their first year in the ground for the most part. I harvest rain water and bring water in with my car,but I can only carry 200 liters per trip,so water is scarce.I have WAY too many roses and the garden is WAY too big for one middle-aged woman (me) to care for by herself, but I do my best.
We get little to no rain in the summer here; I have to consider myself lucky that we had one fairly good rain in July this year, though it certainly wasn't sufficient to irrigate my plants. Even now we are hoping and praying that soon it will start to rain-apparently the grape harvest is at risk at this point; there are grapes on the vines but they are too small and dry and need to be swollen by water in order to be worth something, so it's really bad.
In these conditions ,all I ask for is a good spring flush of bloom. In any case, once the heat hits for real ( this year, it arrived around mid-June) it's too miserable to be outdoors,and I only go out to my garden about once a week or so to water the new implants. It's so awful outside, and I feel so shriveled and burnt-out: how can I expect the roses to feel good, lol? In other words, I don't know that I can say much of value to you, other than some very generic things.Here they are.
In the bright light, pale and delicate colours wash out completely,so for the most part I have darkish pinks and purple-pinks. I want to introduce some of the deep ,deep reds and true violet purples,but since these colours tend to burn I'm thinking about how to provide some shade for them. In fact, I'm very much mulling over the entire question of shade,thinking of where to plant trees and such. The problem is that the south-western sun is just too strong and HOT and the days too long,and it seems to keep on getting worse . But there is a splendid view in that direction,which I don't want to block, so it's very tricky.
I don't have many pale, delicate-coloured roses ,but those that I do have I try to place with care so that they are right on a path, for example, so I can appreciate them up close. Ramblers and other once-bloomers are pretty reliable, but only the ones that bloom earlyish in rose season are really worthwhile.Teas seem to do well, though even they basically give a spring flush and then some bloom in autumn, if it rains enough. I'm beginning to think that perhaps some Noisettes and Chinas aren't really suitable for my garden; I think they may need summer irrigation in order to stay healthy. I've only recently started trying floribundas,so I don't know if they'll be able to handle this sort of situation. HTs don't seem like they'd be a good bet at all. Rugosas can't stand my soil or my climate at all.
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Aug 26, 2021 10:22 AM CST
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thank you for taking your time and post such a long and interesting reply!

our climate here shares most aspects you describe, the lack of rain in summer, the scorching sun etc. even the grapes shrivelling and remaining small for lack of water, each year it is getting worse. i can water parts of the garden, but it is not enough.

i only planted some roses these last two years so it is very early for me to know which are suitable or not. the only flowers which seemed to last long and not be affected by the sun are Polka (planted in spring, i only got a single bloom this year) and Sympathie. i plan to try some rugosas too, maybe i am lucky:)

i think i will try Crepuscule, i changed my mind about the original colours i wanted. i read it doesn't mind the hot weather. hopefully!!!
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Aug 28, 2021 5:44 PM CST

Crepuscule is an excellent choice for hot dry weather. And so are many Tea roses (not Hybrid Teas).
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Aug 31, 2021 11:49 AM CST
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thanks, schrammd, Crepuscule looks fantastic, i put it on my list!
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Aug 31, 2021 12:00 PM CST
Name: Phil
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I live in Florida and we go through long spells of hot dry weather, only rose i've ever had any luck with is the Don Jaun. it's a climber and smells really good.
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Sep 9, 2021 6:34 PM CST
Name: Ron Wolcott
Marietta, GA (Zone 7b)
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'Buff Beauty' is another rose that it heat tolerant and VERY fragrant. The color is a pale apricot. My grandmother had one in southern Florida, zone 10B. Hope this helps.
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Sep 9, 2021 7:06 PM CST
Name: cheapskate gardener
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zeta7 said:I live in Florida and we go through long spells of hot dry weather, only rose i've ever had any luck with is the Don Jaun. it's a climber and smells really good.


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Jun 16, 2022 2:37 PM CST
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I wanted to give you an update about my experience with newly planted roses in hot dry weather, full sun. I got Buff Beauty, thanks @SuperHappyCamper, and it is fabulous and handles heat very well indeed.
Polka and Clair Matin are also very good in this regard!
I haven't tried Crepuscule and Don Juan yet,but they are on my list.

Pink Pet is not available here, but thanks for the recommendation anyway, @hlutzow .
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Jun 17, 2022 12:01 AM CST
Name: cheapskate gardener
South Florida (Zone 10a)
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Enjoy your new beauty! I'd love to see pictures once it's established.
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Jul 16, 2022 10:30 AM CST
Name: aka Annie
WA-rural 8a to (Zone 7b)
Colette might be another one. Does great in high desert, but gets regular water.
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