Post a reply

Image
Feb 24, 2022 2:17 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: BetNC
Henderson County, NC (Zone 7a)
Container Gardener Seed Starter Plant and/or Seed Trader Tomato Heads Annuals Vegetable Grower
Question #1: After my daffodils finish blooming and the greenery is storing energy (but haven't began to yellow), how should I move these plants (greenery, bulbs and their roots) so they can continue their cycle? As in" bury up to where they were originally? Keep bulbs/roots covered continuously from digging the up untiil immediate (well, ASAP - have to walk from the front to the back) replanting them?
I must move about a dozen daffodils May 15th, as that's when I plant out my pepper transplants - in the containers The daffodils are in. Over the winter, I made a new raised bed for the daffodils' permanent home.

Question #2: How do I calculate when to start my new tomato varietie so that it starts setting fruit BEFORE the August heat?
I've never tried to time production before; I can't remember how the days to maturity is calculated (beginning with seedd sowing/sprouting/transplanting into the garden? This tomato variety is Crimson Cushion DTM 90 and Grand Plant Out Day is May 15th (for everything: flowers
AND vegetables!)
Image
Feb 24, 2022 2:48 PM CST
Name: Zoë
Albuquerque NM, Elev 5310 ft (Zone 7b)
Bee Lover Salvias Region: New Mexico Herbs Container Gardener Composter
Cat Lover Butterflies Bookworm Birds Enjoys or suffers hot summers
Bet, dig up the daffodils keeping the roots undisturbed with a big clump of soil around them and replant at same depth. Water in well. You can do that anytime after they've finished blooming.

In my 7b zone, the hottest period is late June into July. In order to set fruit before that, I plant tomatoes earlier than recommend and protect them well, but exact timing depends on the weather. Generally I aim for sometime in April and they definitely need protection into May.

If your variety has 90 dtm, getting them out between, say mid-April/early May should be fine. The fruit doesn't need to have fully matured before the heat hits, but the plants need to have set fruit before temps hit 85-90ish.

No doubt others have more precise advice better suited for your area.
Image
Feb 24, 2022 3:56 PM CST
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis,MN, USA z4b,Dfb/a
Garden Photography The WITWIT Badge Seed Starter Wild Plant Hunter Region: Minnesota Hybridizer
Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
For tomatoes, days to maturity is from the transplanting.
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers. - Socrates
Image
Feb 24, 2022 4:43 PM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Ford River Twp, Michigan UP (Zone 4b)
(Zone 4b-maybe 5a)
Charter ATP Member Bee Lover Butterflies Birds I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
Seed Starter Vegetable Grower Greenhouse Region: United States of America Region: Michigan Enjoys or suffers cold winters
Pat, I've moved daffodils in the past and it was a little messy but they were quite forgiving... If at all possible, I would move the containers they are in to the new location so you can just dig them out and plop them into a new hole (yes, at the same depth that they were growing in the container). If that isn't possible, then I'd suggest putting each clump of daffs into a plastic grocery bag (or something similar) to transport it; try to keep the dirt around the bulbs as much as possible - but, again, they really are quite forgiving.

For the tomatoes, as Rick said, the DTM is from transplanting; you need to start the seeds about 6-8 weeks prior to transplanting, so somewhere between mid March and April 1st should work for you.

Hope that helps! Smiling
“Think occasionally of the suffering of which you spare yourself the sight." ~ Albert Schweitzer
C/F temp conversion
Image
Feb 24, 2022 4:45 PM CST
Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
Not all who wander are lost
Garden Sages Plant Identifier
Leftwood said: For tomatoes, days to maturity is from the transplanting.


Yes, so if you put your tomatoes into the garden on April 15, you can start expecting that first ripe tomato July 15 - August 1.

I also try to plant tomato varieties that continue to set well in the heat - there are lots of them but my favorites are Early Girl, Solar Fire and SunGold Cherry.
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and proclaiming...."WOW What a Ride!!" -Mark Frost

President: Orchid Society of Northern Nevada
Webmaster: osnnv.org
Image
Feb 24, 2022 5:08 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: BetNC
Henderson County, NC (Zone 7a)
Container Gardener Seed Starter Plant and/or Seed Trader Tomato Heads Annuals Vegetable Grower
So, if the DTM is from transplanting into the garden. . . if I were to transplant it into my garden BEFORE the date of average last frost and use something forn cold protection for it. . would that work??

I thought it'd be simpler - like sow earlier . . or (if wanting a later crop) later. . . . guess not.

Sighing!
Image
Feb 24, 2022 5:32 PM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Ford River Twp, Michigan UP (Zone 4b)
(Zone 4b-maybe 5a)
Charter ATP Member Bee Lover Butterflies Birds I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
Seed Starter Vegetable Grower Greenhouse Region: United States of America Region: Michigan Enjoys or suffers cold winters
Yes, that will "work" - but keep in mind that the timing is approximate and cooler (or colder) weather can slow down the plant growth. In my mind, getting the timing right can be the hardest part of gardening - which explains why I was ecstatic when I managed to start some broccoli and cauliflower plants at apparently just the right time to get a nice fall crop last year! Hilarious!
“Think occasionally of the suffering of which you spare yourself the sight." ~ Albert Schweitzer
C/F temp conversion
Image
Feb 24, 2022 6:52 PM CST
Name: Zoë
Albuquerque NM, Elev 5310 ft (Zone 7b)
Bee Lover Salvias Region: New Mexico Herbs Container Gardener Composter
Cat Lover Butterflies Bookworm Birds Enjoys or suffers hot summers
Yes that was what I was trying to convey. As Sandy said, it can be tricky because you're always at the mercy of the weather, but you can get a jump on the season, especially if it warms early. Here our average last frost date is a full month before recommended time for planting tomatoes, so you've got a lot of wiggle room. I use heavy mulch and bubble wrap. I'll let Daisy tell you about her Wall o' Water. Thumbs up
Image
Feb 24, 2022 8:05 PM CST
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis,MN, USA z4b,Dfb/a
Garden Photography The WITWIT Badge Seed Starter Wild Plant Hunter Region: Minnesota Hybridizer
Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
In cold zones, like mine, planting earlier does not work for tomatoes and other warm season crops because the soil is unchangeably cold. Yes, we can plant tomatoes earlier than the normal recommendation, but we hardly gain any precocity. Sometimes, results are worse because the hardening off process from inside to outside weather is more difficult.

I don't know if this is important where you are, but at any rate, it will take a bit longer to harden off your transplants before you plant.
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers. - Socrates
Image
Feb 24, 2022 8:56 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: BetNC
Henderson County, NC (Zone 7a)
Container Gardener Seed Starter Plant and/or Seed Trader Tomato Heads Annuals Vegetable Grower
Rick, you've dashed me with the cold reason/logic I needed. Thank You!

Here, even when I planted out in early May (for several years, a bit later every year) as soon as the last average frost date is past...my tomatoe plants just sat and sullenly shivered and didn't start appreciably growing until after mid-May.
Eventually I was delaying planting out until May 15th: pushing it, as the plants take almost a week to get going.

In conclusion, I realize that I can't change the onset of production earlier for this variety.

No problem: no2w I just need to find a variety that'll do what I want. . . and figure out a way/space to grow iit! nodding (And I PROMISED myself not to plan to grow any more! Angel Crossing Fingers! Whistling
Image
Feb 25, 2022 7:25 AM CST
Name: Sally
central Maryland (Zone 7b)
See you in the funny papers!
Charter ATP Member Frogs and Toads Houseplants Keeper of Poultry Vegetable Grower Region: Maryland
Composter Native Plants and Wildflowers Organic Gardener Region: United States of America Cat Lover Birds
The daffodils will probably like to be thinned out, get rid of or find a new place for small bulbs. Thumbs up
Plant it and they will come.
Image
Feb 25, 2022 11:56 AM CST
Name: Lynda Horn
Arkansas (Zone 7b)
Eat more tomatoes!
Bee Lover Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge) Tomato Heads Salvias Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge) Peppers
Organic Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Morning Glories Master Gardener: Arkansas Lilies Hummingbirder
Hey, Bet, since you are in much the same area as I am, what I do is plant out the first of May. In a raised bed the soil temp is just about right. As far as the heat coming on, I just deal with it, and experiment with various varieties so I can have a good early crop. In the heat determinates have done well, and cherry tomatoes too. I try now to avoid any "late" tomatoes. When I plant I put in the hole my special mix which is a couple of aspirin all crumbled up, some bone meal, blood meal and some specific tomato fertilizer that's 3-3-6, I think. Be sure to cover all this with dirt then put the little plants in. I dont really know if all this stuff really helps, but my little tomato plants take off like a rocket and I'm usually picking my first tomato by the Fourth of July.
Yesterday is gone. Tomorrow has not yet come. We have only today. Let us begin.
Mother Teresa
Only the members of the Members group may reply to this thread.
  • Started by: BetNC
  • Replies: 11, views: 209
Member Login:

( No account? Join now! )

Today's site banner is by mcash70 and is called "Blueberries"

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.