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Mar 1, 2022 7:55 AM CST
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The thread "Our Orchid blooms in February 2022 ❤️" in Orchids forum

Let me start with this noid Cattleya. I bought it around 1995 as Cattleya mossiae 'Campo Grande', but was always told it looks more like C. labiata and shouldn't bloom in the Spring.
It was declining in its basket, so, last Spring I tried to restart it. It produced a clean growth, just still a bit small. But it surprised me with these blooms this week.
The dorsal refuses to straighten out! Smiling

And here are a few updates -
Asctm christensonianum opened another later spike
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Vanda Motes Adorbs is now fully open
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I am enjoying the nice blooms (on mostly old canes) on the Den Siam White with its delicate variegation
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And the Epidendrum Miura Valley opens a small cluster
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Please all join in and have Fun!
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Mar 1, 2022 8:22 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
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Nice stuff there, Ursula. Hooray, we made March!
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Mar 1, 2022 9:00 AM CST
Name: Big Bill
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These two species seemed to be destined for confusion, no doubt about it. Except that labiata is a fall bloomer and mossiae is a spring bloomer.

I just went though 82 AOS awards for Cattleya mossiae and found all of them to be blooming Essentially from March through May, one was very late February. As for Cattleya labiata, out of 68 AOS awards, I found one for late July, one for August and the vast majority were September through November. The only exception I can think of is Newly Imported Plants. I say that for this reason. If you purchased or acquired a Cattleya mossiae from a South American source, their spring IS our Fall. So that newly acquired plant make take a year or so until it conforms to our Spring here in the Northern Hemisphere.
The same would also be true for a Cattleya labiata. They can bloom 6 months out of sequence.

Now my research indicated that mossiae was the second described Cattleya species after labiata. They have been capturing awards from the RHS since the early 1800's! That's amazing! Hurray! Whistling Thumbs up

Now from what I remember from blooming both species is the substance of the blooms. This is something that you really do not read about since it comes from direct observation. Mossiae in my experience does not have the best substance. They are a floppy flower. Dorsals flopping backwards are not rare. When you see mossiae after mossiae as a judge at shows for example, you notice the thinner, substance. Labiata on the other hand has better substance. I would not call it "heavy" or "waxy", but it is clearly more substantial then mossiae.
The other observation comment that I have, and your beautiful image shows this Ursula, is the tubular-like aspect to the mossiae lip. Labiata's lip is generally more open and broader. Mossiae's is more narrow or it appears 'elongated'! Plus, and this is something I notice all of the time, the golden and amethyst coloring in the Mossiae lip reminds me of the coloring of a lueddemanniana lip.
Orchid lecturer, teacher and judge. Retired Wildlife Biologist. Supervisor of a nature preserve up until I retired.
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Mar 1, 2022 9:36 AM CST
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Bill, thanks so much for your wonderful and detailed analysis!! Reading this carefully, I would now think the original tag was correct.
Yes, this is a fairly delicate and floppy bloom and the blooming time is appropriate too. I think I will use the original tag!!
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Mar 1, 2022 9:38 AM CST
Name: Glenn Graham
Memphis (Zone 7b)
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Still a Pretty C. mossiae ...even if it has a "Cow-Lick"
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Mar 1, 2022 9:40 AM CST
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Floppy dorsal = Cow-Lick!!
Rolling on the floor laughing
Cute, Glenn!
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Mar 1, 2022 9:49 AM CST
Name: Big Bill
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Oh yes, by all means. Use the original tag.
Now in my look into Cattleya, none of the awards to the species have that as a clonal name. None were Campo Grande. But that in no way effects it's identification.
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Mar 1, 2022 11:31 AM CST
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Name: Ursula
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Thanks!

Have you ever wondered why one day after opening some blooms in a cluster look already suspect?
I was pretty sure I will see this eventually!! Smiling Sure enough!
Guarianthe aurantiaca
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Just wondering who did it!! I will remove these!
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Mar 1, 2022 12:02 PM CST
Name: Big Bill
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Those are cleistogimous flowers! Not quite sure how to spell that. Guarianthae aurantiaca is famous for pollinating itself within hours of opening. I can not remember anyone giving an explanation as to why that happens. You can already see that those ovaries are beginning to expand.

It is known in the orchid world that some plants do that within Orchidaceae. While not rare, it does happen.
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Mar 1, 2022 12:41 PM CST
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Oh, cleistogamous! I should have guessed! Except for the cute little spider on the other side of the greenhouse, I didn't see any bees etc around!
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Mar 1, 2022 12:45 PM CST
Name: Big Bill
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Hey.
With all of our experience and knowledge we are bound to forget something!
For a brief time yesterday, I thought for sure my name was Joe!! Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Who is this Bill fellow!! Lovey dubby I tip my hat to you.
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Mar 1, 2022 12:57 PM CST
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So far the only other cleistogamous plant in my care is the Epiphyllum phyllanthus var. phyllanthus. (besides Violets) Those buds at the end of a long tube either open at sundown to ca 4 am or not! Smiling Many times you think you missed it, only to see the nice red fruit developing.
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Mar 3, 2022 6:47 AM CST
Name: Gina
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Ursula your collection makes me so jealous LOL. My rchids have finally decided its Spring now that we are getting 80-90F temps
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Mar 3, 2022 7:30 AM CST
Name: Big Bill
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Ah Spring. Eventually I will see it here. Right now I have as signs of Spring:
Cardinals and Robins singing in 20 degree temperature.
A huge increase in Raptor sightings along the Interstate.
A forecast high of 55 degrees on Saturday and 63 on Sunday. Low temperatures in the mid to upper 20's over the next 10 days.
I do not have crocus, snowdrops or daffodils on my property so I can not look to them as signs of Spring.
But I'll keep looking because Spring just has to be here some where.
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Mar 3, 2022 7:48 AM CST
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Gina, I see very pretty blooms in your greenhouse jungle! Lovey dubby

We are in the thirties F the next few days as high temps, but I see a rainy 72 F for Sunday!
The Snowdrops are up in huge swatches near the local river.
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Mar 3, 2022 7:50 AM CST
Name: Gina
Florida (Zone 9a)
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I got that app for my phone from Cornell U called Merlin. You hear a bird, you record it and it tells you what it is. Its been an eye opener here to know what we actually have. So far, these are only a FEW of what I have caught: Red Shoulder Hawk, Peregrine Falcon, Osprey (we know all these were here)...Pilleated Woodpecker (sounds like Woody the Woodpecker) Red bellied Woodpecker, Red Headed Woodpecker, Downey woodpecker...a Kingfisher at my neighbor's pond....bluebirds, blue jays, Baltimore orioles, Cardinals, Tufted Titmmouse, Robin, a few different finches including the Purple one, Sandhill cranes, Carolina Wren, several species of Sparrows, red crested Kinglet, AMerican Woodcock,Great and Snowy Egrets,Barred Owl, crows, mockingbirds,Carolina chickadee...and this was just over the last MONTH!
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Mar 3, 2022 10:54 AM CST
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Here is proof that threatening a stubborn Orchid with a salad fork works!! I am happily watching my humongous Vanda tricolor var suavis opening a nice spike. This time it is making it!!! ( It bloomed previously in my care, but not the last year or so)
One of the blooms pushed from the spike to the other side of the plant

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And the spike
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I don't know if the real reason the spike makes it this time, that I placed the plant into the direct path of the fan. Perhaps it needs along with full blast sun also more aeration than other Vandas?
Btw that monster has 4 large keikies! Smiling
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Mar 3, 2022 11:09 AM CST
Name: Glenn Graham
Memphis (Zone 7b)
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Ursula that is a GORGEOUS Lovey dubby Vanda Bloom... Soon you'll have to decapitate it or let it grow Out the roof vents. ha
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Mar 3, 2022 11:12 AM CST
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Thanks! I am really happy to see it blooming! Smiling
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Mar 3, 2022 11:20 AM CST
Name: Big Bill
Livonia Michigan (Zone 6a)
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I think it is one of the prettiest of all the Vandas!!!

Why would a spike blast like that? The number one reason I would look to are insects. In Florida, putting a bloom spike on a Vanda was like ringing the dinner bell! That spike could go from 3" long and green, to dry and brown overnight. THRIPS THRIPS THRIPS
Second reason is a water shortage. The first thing shed when water is in need are the buds. That is the area of rapid growth. Rapid expansion. Without adequate water, buds are easily shed.

It would be rare to have them burn up in sunshine because they just love the sun but in extreme circumstances, I suppose that that could happen!
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