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Apr 27, 2023 7:56 PM CST
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Name: Ratchet
Southeastern AZ (Zone 8b)
If a tree has chill hours 200.
The tree gets 200 hrs by the end of January.
There is a warm spell in February
The tree will bloom?
If the tree blooms, will the tree start to produce leaves?
If the tree produces leaves and there is more nights of 28 degrees average, will the leaves freeze?
Will the tree be damaged or die?
I know that an early bloom is usually killed by late frost but I haven't seen what happens to a tree that blooms way too early and whether or not it sets leaves while there is still a possibility of killing frosts.
I want to plant a tree with low chill hours, 250 when my area receives 500 -800 and does have warm spells in midwinter followed by normal cold.
This is Arizona high desert
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Apr 28, 2023 9:46 AM CST
Name: Al F.
5b-6a mid-MI
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If a tree has chill hours 200 and the tree gets 200 hrs by the end of January; if there is a warm spell in February will the tree will bloom? It might, but it depends in part on what happened during the period the chill units were accumulating and how long and warm the warm spell is. Chill units don't necessarily accumulate in a linear or even a hockey stick shaped graph line. Chill units accumulate when temperatures are between freezing and about 42*F. Temps below freezing cannot be counted as chill units, and temperatures much above 42-44* "undo" some of the effect of chill units already under the plant's belt. IOW and as an example, if a plant requiring 200 chill units has undergone chilling such that 100 chill units have accrued, then experienced a warm spell, when the warm spell is over it might need another120 more chill units.




If the tree blooms, will the tree start to produce leaves? When a plant's chilling obligations have been met, the plant passes unnoticed into a state of quiescence, during which only temperatures below about 42* keep the tree from blooming or producing leaves. At any point after the tree has passed into quiescence, a warming trend can stimulate either/both bloom and leaf growth in whichever order the plant is programmed to produce those organs.

If the tree produces leaves and there is more nights of 28 degrees average, will the leaves freeze? It can, but all resistance to chill/freezing isn't immediately lost at the onset of growth. Partially open leaves will still have some protection due to the increases concentration of dissolved solids in the cell solution, which serve as antifreeze (just like salt or sugar) to help the plant tolerate a greater degree of chill. A cold spell w/o temperatures dropping to killing lows can somewhat restore the resistance to chill lost during the preceding warm spell.

Will the tree be damaged or die? Speaking only about temperate deciduous trees ...... they could, but most likely not. Whether the tree lives or not depends in large degree on it's level of vitality and stored food/energy when it entered dormancy in the fall. Trees most at risk would be those which, when entering dormancy in fall, were highly stressed and had low levels of stored energy. Leaves of most trees do not become net producers of food/energy until they are somewhere near 75% mature, so the tree must have sufficient energy reserves to at least carry some of the leaves to near maturity so they can provide food/energy to developing foliage.

I know that an early bloom is usually killed by late frost but I haven't seen what happens to a tree that blooms way too early and whether or not it sets leaves while there is still a possibility of killing frosts. When blooms are killed, it's not usually as serious as foliage suffering from chill injury. For plants that bloom on old wood, there is usually a deposit of starch at the base of each bud that needs only an adequate supply of water to metabolize the starch as an energy source for the blooms.

I want to plant a tree with low chill hours, 250 when my area receives 500 -800 and does have warm spells in midwinter followed by normal cold. Trees with greater chill requirements tend to be more forgiving of unusually mild mid-winter warm spells as a dormant tree is more likely to keep snoozing during a warm spell than a tree that has passed from dormancy into its quiet state.

Al
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Apr 28, 2023 10:10 AM CST
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Name: Ratchet
Southeastern AZ (Zone 8b)
Al
Thank you very much!
I have a choice of a Royal Blenheim apricot 500 chill hours or a Red Baron Peach 250 chill hours. I have to replace a MoorePark Apricot that a cow knocked over.
There is a limited selection of trees at this time, in this area. Most trees are slated for the Phoenix/Tuscon area, low chill.
I am going to look at the available selection today.
From your answer, it appears I should favor a tree (Royal Blenheim) that more nearly matches my conditions but a low chill (Red Baron) might work. Low chill trees in a high chill area being not ideal but still having a good chance of success, depending on other factors.
Excellent answer and timely as I am off to the garden center soon.
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Apr 28, 2023 10:36 AM CST
Name: Al F.
5b-6a mid-MI
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Yes, I agree with all you said.

Al
* Employ your time in improving yourself by other men's writings, so that you shall gain easily what others have labored hard for. ~ Socrates
* Change might not always bring growth, but there is no growth without change.
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Apr 28, 2023 11:38 AM CST
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Name: Ratchet
Southeastern AZ (Zone 8b)
Al
I do favor that Red Baron Peach just for pretty but I will definitely prefer Royal if the trees are in good condition.
In the longer view, both the tree and I will be happier with less stress, more blossoms at the appropriate time and fruit which means to favor the Royal.
Given that the trees I am going to look at are in equally good condition. A healthy, well grown Red Baron being preferable to a ratty Royal.
We shall see!
Again, thanks for the answer and just in time!
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Apr 28, 2023 1:16 PM CST
Name: Al F.
5b-6a mid-MI
Knowledge counters trepidation.
Japanese Maples Deer Tropicals Seed Starter Overwinters Tender Plants Indoors Region: Michigan
Houseplants Foliage Fan Dog Lover Container Gardener Birds Wild Plant Hunter
A pleasure - and thanks for the tip.

Al
* Employ your time in improving yourself by other men's writings, so that you shall gain easily what others have labored hard for. ~ Socrates
* Change might not always bring growth, but there is no growth without change.
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Mar 2, 2024 3:29 PM CST
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Name: Ratchet
Southeastern AZ (Zone 8b)
Here is the answer:
I planted a low chill hour Royal Blenheim Apricot on April 27, 2023 to replace a damaged high chill Moorpark.
The Royal Blenheim, having received the requisite hours and a warm spell in February is now in Bloom
The Moorpark typically blossoms in early April, nearly a month later.
So the Royal Blenheim blossoms will freeze out, most likely
But it certainly is pretty, blossoms in February.
Now I will see if the early flowering damages the tree.
No leaves yet so I will have to wait another year to see if this lovely early blossom is damaging to tree.
Thanks for the input last year. This is just an update.
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