This post below follows on from this one on the May seedlings thread page 1:
https://garden.org/thread/view...

@adknative
Just a quick follow up. This is what I mean by "red ladder". You can see over time the red rising across the leaves one-by-one from the bottom upwards. Must be a developmental maturation thing as they age. These photos are from last year. I forgot to follow it this year.

^That one was Notify Ground Crew x Hotter Than The Fourth of July (only seedling).

Oh yes, PTREMBL is gorgeous!

I had 'Heavenly Red Streaker' that had those red leaves at the base of the fans, but I got rid of it because it leaned terribly.

blue23rose said: Oh yes, PTREMBL is gorgeous!

I had 'Heavenly Red Streaker' that had those red leaves at the base of the fans, but I got rid of it because it leaned terribly.

They now have a $$$ tetraploid version, apparently. Perhaps that helps stiffen the scapes up? Odd, though as it does not seem to be a tet conversion, according to the label, but an entire remake using tet-converted parents??? Unless the photo is of a seedling instead.
No mention of that on the Heavenly Gardens page, though:
https://heavenlygardens.com/im...

Edited for Sedumzz: "...One of the new seedlings has red half way up the flower scape"

That just doesn't sound right to me.
"Red Streaker is the result of oryzalin seed treatment. Half of my plant remained tet and the other diploid. I have bloomed both tet and diploid seedlings, all of which retains the red foliage."
Which seeds were treated? I don't understand how this could be considered a Tet Red Streaker.
Can anyone explain this to me:

It is a chimera (i.e. a very bad tet conversion)? With tet and diploid pollen?
But, yes. You can try and tet convert seeds rather than doing the plant.

Here is a link regarding attempts at tet conversion:
This one compares colchicine to oryzalin and trifluralin (not on daylilies):
https://www.tandfonline.com/do...
Oryzalin was good for seed conversion, but not great for meristem of this other type of plant.

Interesting that only the diploid was registered.

If daylilies do not come true from seed, then the seed converted or not would not be the same plant as the registered 'Red Streaker' would it? I don't get the part about the seed of a registered plant being named the same as the plant in tet or dip form without a true conversion.

That puzzled me too, Larry. I would love to know what he meant by that statement because it sounds very confusing.

Me either.
That page was quite confusing indeed.

Oh gosh, this purple at the base of the fan has been around a LONG time. Some people call it "purple socks." I have seen it in some of the plants I grow of the Herringtons that show a lot of green in the throat. This traces back to an ancestor of some of Katisue Herrington's first " Oz" themed daylilies. One of the ancestors of ' Magic of Oz,' ( which does show the purple socks here, is (I've got to look this up, and will have to come back and insert it. It's an old Temple cultivar ) . OK, the plant I was looking for is ' Rainbow Spangles' an older Temple cultivar that I grew about 25-30 years ago. It had a very green throat, and also had the purple socks, and it is a ( grandparent?) of Magic of Oz, which was one of the first Herrington cultivars to get a lot of acclaim for its green throat. I believe Tim and I had a conversation years ago about their use of Rainbow Spangles. I've also heard Tim say many times, ( and if you've heard him speak. You've probably heard this too) that if you're looking to get green seedlings, cross green with green, it doesn't take a rocket scientist!

'Banana Pepper Spider' is another older Herrington cultivar that shows the purple socks. This spring, I dug my clump of ' Flying Monkeys' up, and sure enough, every fan was showing the purple socks. I think that when the Herringtons stumbled onto the very green throats they now breed for, that the plants with these "purple socks" seemed to show that genetic component.

Here's RAINBOW SPANGLES, a grandparent of Magic of Oz, which has a very green throat AND purple socks! I haven't traced this back further, but it might be interesting. Rainbow Spangles was registered in 1983, which makes it a 40 year old historic daylily.

I agree it is most likely an old phenomenon.
May be in some species daylilies, too, if I remember rightly when I last looked at pics of them (this was ages ago though, so I may be conflating with black scapes which have also been around a long time). So at least a few hundred years old.
Here is a post of Sue (Soobi) describing it in H. citrina:
https://garden.org/thread/view...

But the one I showed above is not a pretty flower with a blazing green throat, though. No green throat to speak of there.


Not sure who christened it purple, though. As clearly it is red. Or perhaps the phenomenon comes in different shades? I think ages ago Char showed a pic of hers, which was indeed purple. Perhaps we should just call it pigmented socks to be more general, although that is less fun (plus I am in Boston, so it has to be Red Sox all the way).

plasko20 said: I agree it is most likely an old phenomenon.
May be in some species daylilies, too, if I remember rightly when I last looked at pics of them (this was ages ago though, so I may be conflating with black scapes which have also been around a long time). So at least a few hundred years old.
Here is a post of Sue (Soobi) describing it in H. citrina:
https://garden.org/thread/view...

Here's a pic of Hemerocallis citrina's "stockings" taken just now. When getting the picture I noticed the first scapes of the season, on Hemerocallis minor

This is on a seedling I plan on registering this fall. It's by Shockwave rider which also exhibits pink/purple "stockings". On this one they are much darker. I like this trait.

Wow!
That is nice.

I agree. Hope you'll post images of the seedling when it blooms and remind us it's the one with stockings.

The seedling is 5 years old this year. I divided and moved them last year. They survived . It's got more going for it than just stockings.

I know the feeling of lining out a future and they all make through the line out test. So glad it did, it has a great pattern and those purple socks! Now the fun part of hybridizing, picking a name. Reminds me of Margo's Murder Mystery. Let me know when you have it available!

Oh Tina, that is such a nice looking daylily. Lovely color, purple socks, and it looks like it is tall and stately with nice branching! Congrats!

It's name will be "Ghosted" already reserved. The pattern looks like a ghostly apparition right down to the darker eye sockets. I think it is very unique. I bought the seed on the LA from Linda Michaels when Shockwave Rider was still just a numbered seedling. It's 38", 4/5 branches (well spaced), 20 + buds and blooms a long, long time, just like Shockwave Rider. Pod and pollen fertile. I will see some of its progeny bloom this year. I would love to see how it does in the North, Char. You compared it to a Reed, I could just die from the Happy! So, if you're serious let me know. You all are so kind and supportive!

Love the name Ghosted!
Yes, I'm serious, I'll move to tmail.