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Sep 8, 2023 6:10 AM CST
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Peabody ma
Hi, Everyone,
I am in zone 6b (Massachusetts) Does anyone have any experience successfully growing the daylily Bluegrass Memories (T. Preuss) (evergreen) in the North ? And also if anyone knows of a list available somewhere that shows current evergreen and semi Evers that do well here. Thank you so much!!
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Sep 8, 2023 12:05 PM CST
Southwest U.S. (Zone 7a)
Not an expert here, but...
I think that in your climate zone dormant or semi-dormant daylilies will do much better than the evergreen type. There may, of course, be exceptions.
I've had great service from Oakes Daylilies--I've been a customer and am not otherwise affiliated. You can screen selections for color and foliage type (dormant/semi-dormant/evergreen), among other features. I think you can call or e-mail them for advice, if necessary. They may not have the exact plant you're looking for, but it's fun to browse their catalog for something similar.
I'm in 7b, had never grown daylilies before, and have difficult climate and soil with lots of herbivores visiting the yard. My plants bloomed the first year and have been strong and healthy since.
https://oakesdaylilies.com/
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Sep 8, 2023 1:22 PM CST
Name: Orion
Boston, MA (Zone 7a)
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I would peruse Northern sellers websites were I you.
On those you will then get an idea which grow up North.
However, some do use greenhouses which is a bit of a cheat, so always use caution in interpretations.

And you are right to ask. Not just survive, but THRIVE in the North is key.
My own evergreens are not really thrivers aside from Red Lobster (which even reblooms). Everyone else I have appears to struggle.
Gardening: So exciting I wet my plants!
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Sep 8, 2023 1:39 PM CST
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Here is a list I found, I am down south so I have no actual experience with this.
https://cottageinthemeadow.pla...
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Sep 8, 2023 2:22 PM CST
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I love visiting the northern growers and browsing their fields/garden plots. That's really the best way to see what is actually a hardy thriver. 😊 I definitely have the best luck with dormants.
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Sep 8, 2023 2:25 PM CST
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4b)
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Look at sales lists from sellers in your own or similar climates. Foliage type can change depending on where a cultivar is grown and in any case doesn't necessarily indicate hardiness. I grow all foliage types here in Zone 4 for example but newer ones are less likely to have been tested in different climates so check where they were hybridized if in doubt.
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Sep 8, 2023 4:26 PM CST
Name: Mike
Hazel Crest, IL (Zone 6a)
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Your neighbor @Zoia should have some great insight. Spacecoast Hot Topic and Endless Heart are two of the earliest to bloom here and they are evergreen. I got Bluegrass Memories this year and so far so good. Winter is around the corner. It was be tested.
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Sep 8, 2023 4:36 PM CST
Name: Mike
Hazel Crest, IL (Zone 6a)
"Have no patience for bare ground"
My BGM Came from Laura @ Twixanddud in Z:5. Maybe she can elaborate.
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Sep 8, 2023 8:16 PM CST
Ohio (Zone 5a)
I have had a good many that survive here, but actually "thrive" is another thing.

Absolute Ripper
Geneva Pinkalicious
Spacecoast Cheddar Fang
Spacecoast Lemon Whiskers
Buddy's I Am Tired
Bluegrass Shadows
Ice Cream Social
Like A G-6
Voracious Vixen
Cool Bananas
Worth It All
Crimson Sun
Proud Python
Cool Composure
Spacecoast Yellow Ambrosia
Spacecoast Snow Flake
Boundless Beauty
Mississippi Memories
Patsy Cline
Lake Effect
Scott Perry
Red Bull
Jurassic Pink
Ten Gallon Hat
Lonnie Leroy Carpenter
Michael Miller
Pansy Yellow
Blue Breasted Bee Eater
Nicole's Heat Seeker
Velvet Ribbons

Quite a few of the Dan Hansen plants at Ladybug are very hardy in the north, as well as many from Spacecoast/ Jamie Gossard. I have had a good many, but can't recall all of the names....
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Sep 9, 2023 5:05 AM CST
Name: Laura
SE Michigan (Zone 5b)
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As Mike mentioned, I have Bluegrass Memories here and it does well for me. Even had one rebloom scape this summer. It looks a little crummy in the spring like many do, but recovers nicely. Claudine's Charm is one that is registered as evergreen that I have and really love, I always highly recommend it.

I just went through my spreadsheet and sorted by registered foliage type, these are the ones that are evergreen and I would say do well here for me (and I have had for more than a couple of years) - this list is in order by the ones I have the longest. Bluegrass Memories is SEv, so is not on this list.
Cameroons
Green Mystique
Wispy Rays
Coyote Moon
Claudine's Charm
Insider Trading
Buddy's Betsy
Jane Trimmer
Fabulous Frieda
Ciel D'Or
Morticia
Patricia Snider Memorial
Special Candy
Olly Olly Oxen Free
Silver Sword
Judge Judy
Yoga Man
Absolute Ripper
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Sep 9, 2023 6:49 AM CST
Name: SUZY PATENAUDE
PEABODY MA (Zone 6b)
Wow so much great feedback,
I wanted to respond to everyones post and thank them for being so helpful! Thrilled to hear from those who say BGM works well in the colder climates....
Laura ty for giving me your list Im def going to log them in. I just purchased Claudines Charm and Cameroons, last month, Im so glad to hear great things about CLaudines C. from you!! Yoga Man was on my list but wasn't sure how it would do here, so wow ty!!!
Deryl ty for that list as well, there's sooooo many, it looked like you had a few G. Pierce in there,?! I just recently noticed how large his blooms tend to be, some of his photos show his hand against the flower bloom and its amazing to see how big in comparison to his hand the flower is!!!
I really appreciate the time it to for and those lists of evers to be typed out type out! Thanks guys and gals I will use and refer back to them. Larry that link to cottage in the meadow was a huge find! thanks!!!
If you have the time mike, maybe you could update on how your BGM does over the winter,
I would be curious to know, and thanks for the networking I did notice Zoia on here before shes very close to my area.
lots of good info, Thanks very much. If anyone else cares to share there successful semi ever, and evergreen cold climate wins, I would love to hear more, or those daylilies that are some outstanding favs in their garden.
Some of my favorites, I purchased from Harmon Hills in NH.. who by the way are amazing people and their daylily farm is quite a site!!!
Also Summerbee, I was wondering if you have a few favorite New England daylily gardens that you enjoy and could recommend?

Thanks to all!!!!! I am positively going to find myself a BLUEGRASS MEMORIES plant!!!!
Happy fall planting
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Sep 9, 2023 7:05 AM CST
Name: SUZY PATENAUDE
PEABODY MA (Zone 6b)
Sooby,
I was really interest in what you said about foliage on daylilies. I did not know that the foliage could change. Does the look of it change as well or just its habit? I have heard some people say it can be a little hard to tell the type of foliage by just by looking at it. I have never paid much attention to it, but recently was thinking of going out in the garden to investigate if in fact I can SEE a difference in the dor, ever, or sever by comparing the fans or leaves.
I have often wondered when hybridizers cross seeds, and say for example one is and evergreen the other a dormant, how would they determine the outcome of the foliage, is it by noticing the look of the foliage, or watching whether it dies back during the cold season, or not? Can you and or anyone else explain a little more of what may be known about this topic
thanks very much
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Sep 9, 2023 7:27 AM CST
Name: SUZY PATENAUDE
PEABODY MA (Zone 6b)
Plasko,
I know what your saying about checking Northern sellers, and the possibility of using greenhouses. That has been my concern. And as you know omg there are so so many different types of daylilies. When you have a certain one in mind (or dozens) sometimes you cant just find them anywhere, except maybe online, then you run into the problem will they ... as you so smartly say Thrive not just survive, here. I have had daylilies for about 3 years now. Some evergreens and semi evers are still spectacular. there are a few that arent doing as well. It could be the weather breaking them down or maybe its time to conquer and DIVIDE them, lol. Just trying to figure it all out. I will check out Red Lobster, I did notice the name recently because its soooo New England.
Next season I will travel more to Local daylily farms!
Thanks for your input it was very helpful!
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Sep 9, 2023 7:30 AM CST
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4b)
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@Suzyp831 The registered foliage habit is how it behaves in the registrant's garden as assessed by that registrant, so it doesn't necessarily follow that a cultivar will do the same everywhere or be interpreted the same by everyone. I think often people assess them at spring emergence.

A hybridizer in a cold climate, for example, may rightly assses a cultivar as "dormant" because it emerges as a spear with two short leaves on the outside in spring. However, in a warmer climate it could be evergreen. I have some registered evergreens that obviously set dormant buds here in my colder winter climate.

For another example, Stout wrote that 'Chengtu' was deciduous in a warmer climate (Florida) but evergreen or partly-evergreen in New York. This is quite the opposite to what most people would think!

Not sure if this fully answers your question?
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Sep 9, 2023 5:35 PM CST
Name: Maurice
Grey Highlands, Ontario (Zone 5a)
@Suzyp831
Unfortunately the way daylilies are described does not necessarily relate well with how daylilies grow. Foliage is one of those characteristics that is misleadingly used. If you look at how daylilies are registered you will see a category called "foliage" That has three possible descriptions. Those are dormant, evergreen and semi-evergreen. But those categories do not describe daylily foliage. They do describe how daylilies grow. The leaves are the same no matter how the daylily was registered for foliage.
A daylily plant that was registered as dormant means that the plant stopped growing new leaves, formed a bud and rested for a time before starting to grow new leaves again. A daylily registered as evergreen does not stop producing leaves to form a bud. A semi-evergreen may act as a dormant sometimes and as an evergreen at other times.
The catch is that whether a daylily plant is going to stop producing new leaves and form a bud may depend on the temperature, the length of the nights or both.

The "foliage" type of a daylily is a description of how that daylily grows in the location where the hybridizer of that daylily grew the daylily when they registered it. The possibility is that a daylily can act evergreen in a location with mild winters but act dormant in a location with colder winters as one possible example. Or it might act evergreen in a location where the nights are not longer than 13 hours but act dormant where the nights are longer than 14 hours as a different possible example. We do not know what specifically determines how any daylily grows in any location. That is we do not know the biological basis for the different types of growth habits shown by daylilies (dormant or not dormant = "evergreen" but should be evergrowing)
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Now we come to the part that makes the situation even more confusing.

In the past there was a tendency for hybridizers in the more northern parts of the U.S. to hybridize using daylilies registered as dormant as parents and for those in the more southern parts to hybridize using daylilies registered as evergreen as parents. Hybridizers in the north cannot select for daylilies that grow and flower well in conditions that exist in the south. Hybridizers in the south cannot select for daylilies that grow and flower well in the conditions that exist in the north. So each hybridizer produces daylilies that are better and better adapted to the conditions in their locations and less well adapted to the conditions elsewhere. In the past, two hybridizers (one from the south and one from the north) saw this and started to use each others daylily introductions in their crosses to produce daylilies that were better adapted to the alternate conditions of the other hybridizer.
As long as hybridizers in each location often specifically use daylilies hybridized in other regions in their crosses their daylily introductions will be adapted to grow in a wider range of conditions. When hybridizers in each location do not use daylilies from hybridizers in locations with different growing conditions than their own, as parents in their crosses then their introductions will become better and better adapt4ed to their own growing conditions and conversely worse and worse adapted to other growing conditions.
Hybridizers could manage to avoid producing daylilies with strong local adaptation and poor wide adaptation by rigorously testing their own introductions in other growing conditions and only using those that do well in several different growing conditions as parents.
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Sep 9, 2023 5:48 PM CST
Name: Maurice
Grey Highlands, Ontario (Zone 5a)
Just to be complete, I grow daylilies under northern conditions somewhere between zone 4 and zone 5. When I buy daylilies I do not care how they were registered. I find that many/most daylilies that have been registered as "evergreen" grow as "dormants" here. Some daylilies registered as "evergreen" do not seem to grow very well here. That may possibly be because the temperatures are not high enough but it may also be because some daylily hybridizers produce their daylily introductions under optimum or supra-optimum conditions of water, fertilizer and divide their clumps very very frequently (and I do not).
I have also found that some daylilies do not survive their first winters here, even when purchased and replanted early in the growing season. In my tests of a possible reason for that I have found that some of those daylilies will survive winter as long as they have a much longer time to grow after being divided (disturbed) than is possible naturally here (I grow them inside over their first winter). A test where I simply cut through the roots of one of those cultivars in the early spring showed that was enough to cause a problem the next year.
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Sep 10, 2023 7:41 AM CST
Name: Kenny Shively
Rineyville, KY. region 10. (Zone 6b)
Region: Kentucky Daylilies Hybridizer
Excellent Maurice. Thumbs up
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Sep 10, 2023 9:07 AM CST
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Peabody ma
Well that is a loooot of great information!
Thank you both!
That breakdown was amazingly educational!
Ty for the time and effort to explain
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Sep 10, 2023 9:24 PM CST
Name: Zoia Bologovsky
Stoneham MA (Zone 6b)
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Hi Suzy!

I should be getting Bluegrass Memories in the next few weeks but I have no experience with growing it here yet. I do have Bluegrass Shadows but that is a different plant.

If you are curious how specific cultivars are doing, please feel free to look at my list. I have listed where I bought the plant, when it was planted, a biannual fan count and bloom times with approximate number of blooms per season. That's a really good snapshot of what is doing well for me.

And, if you are visiting gardens next season, please feel free to treemail me about visiting…I would love to give you the tour!
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Sep 11, 2023 12:40 PM CST
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Peabody ma
Hi Zoia,
Ty for info! I did decide to order BGM. I'm hoping Tessa Ann works also because I ordered that one too ! lol
We will see!
I have to tell you I heard you had open visitors garden this summer during the region 4 conference. I was tempted to come to your garden, I almost did, but something came up. I was really looking forward to it. I thank you for the invite and will keep my eyes snd ears open for next year if you have one!
Can you give me a quick rundown on how I view your daylilies list on here. I clicked on your profile and daylilies posted it looks like it directed me towards everyone's daylily photos? Not to great at navigating around this site so far. Ty so much!

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