Post a reply

Avatar for franknj1
Feb 25, 2024 10:54 AM CST
Thread OP
New Jersey
Hello. We had a Bracken Brown Beauty Magnolia that was about 45 to 50 feet in height. Unfortunately, it died a few years ago and we finally had it removed above the stump. Question is what is the root system for such a tree. Is it deep and or wide, or both. How deep would this system grow since we would like to replant some trees?
Image
Feb 25, 2024 12:27 PM CST
Name: Billsc
SC
It's interesting to me that you were growing the BBB in New Jersey. Magnolias are generally considered a southern tree, but that particular one, the BBB has been certified to survive temps. of -20 degrees, and has been sold as far north as PA, so that puts you right in that geographic area. As for the root ball under these trees, it is pretty much a true ball. They are usually dug in the field with a machine, which takes out a ball of soil with the roots, so you can figure the tree has a root ball that is about as deep as the distance it extends out from the trunk. I do not believe there is a true tap root, and the fact that the tree has been dead a few years, means a lot of the smaller roots are dead and rotted away by this time. I do not believe it would be a difficult stump to dig, and another tree probably would not have difficulty growing near the stump. Point of interest--my wife's mother was a Bracken. She and her father, along with her three brothers were all in the nursery business. The youngest brother, Ray Bracken found that tree growing on his nursery property and identified it as having special characteristics. He grew it to maturity, documented it's special features, had it patented, and after a good deal of trial and error, learned to mass propagate it, and that's where your tree came from.
Avatar for porkpal
Feb 25, 2024 12:42 PM CST
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX (Zone 9a)
Cat Lover Charter ATP Member Keeper of Poultry I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Dog Lover Keeps Horses
Roses Plant Identifier Farmer Raises cows Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Ideas: Level 2
A fun historical note, @Billsc !
Image
Feb 25, 2024 1:31 PM CST
Name: Ken Isaac
Bountiful, Utah, USA (Zone 7a)
Grow stuff!
fjpmmk1 said: Question is what is the root system for such a tree.


Are you replanting EXACTLY where the stump now is? You may need to have the stump ground out. This process usually allows all the feeder and branch roots underground to decompose on their own- where they lie. I realize this is your concern.

However- I'd take a shovel and make some 'pretend' planting holes near the stump...
If you are planting young trees (needing small holes) near the stump, you may already be able to do that, as @Billsc said.

If you will be getting it removed professionally, of course do that BEFORE replanting anything so equipment doesn't hurt new landscaping.

Billsc said: The youngest brother, Ray Bracken found that tree growing on his nursery property....
...
and that's where your tree came from.

Wow- fun story, Bill!
Owner: Bountiful Exotics Nursery
Follow me at
https://www.instagram.com/boun...
Avatar for franknj1
Feb 25, 2024 3:14 PM CST
Thread OP
New Jersey
Thanks for your responses, very helpful information and was just the type of information I was looking for. I have a tight spot that the tree was in and the bigger stump grinder may not be able to be used. The smaller grinder doesn't go very deep so that is the concern. Go through the trouble and cost of removing fencing to get the bigger grinder in or have the tree company use the smaller one and dig the remaining root system out after that.

PS @Billsc - we still have a 2nd BBB in the yard, doing well, beautify tree! Thanks for the fun point of information.
Image
Feb 25, 2024 3:54 PM CST
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis,MN, USA z4b,Dfb/a
Garden Photography The WITWIT Badge Seed Starter Wild Plant Hunter Region: Minnesota Hybridizer
Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
if the stump is dead, nothing would stop me from growing anything right next to it, even within six inches. Happens in the forest all the time, without detriment. The roots and stump will eventually rot, and you may want to replace with a little more soil as they decompose and "shrink".
--
Thanks for the story, Bill!
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers. - Socrates
Image
Feb 25, 2024 5:31 PM CST
Name: Ken Isaac
Bountiful, Utah, USA (Zone 7a)
Grow stuff!
@franknj1
If I may ask- what is your hardiness zone- closer to 6a or closer to 7b?
I'd like a BBB magnolia in my 7b zone.
I had one several years ago- but it didn't make it through my drought summer- but that was an error on my part.
Owner: Bountiful Exotics Nursery
Follow me at
https://www.instagram.com/boun...
Avatar for franknj1
Feb 25, 2024 7:48 PM CST
Thread OP
New Jersey
I'm in 7a.
Image
Feb 25, 2024 9:35 PM CST
Name: PotterK
Seattle, WA
I was a professional tree planter in clear cuts in the Pacific northwest. The most likely place to find a good planting spot was always right next to Douglas-fir stumps (one to three years dead, usually). For some reason, it was easier to dig a good hole right next to the old stump - maybe because there was less woody biomass there, since the old tree dominated that space, and because fewer competing root systems entered that area while the tree was still alive.

I'd plant your new (small) seedling right there next to the old stump and just leave the stump. Stumps have an appeal all their own.
Only the members of the Members group may reply to this thread.
  • Started by: franknj1
  • Replies: 8, views: 332
Member Login:

( No account? Join now! )

Today's site banner is by mcash70 and is called "Blueberries"

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.