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Oct 12, 2014 2:10 PM CST
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Name: greene
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This may be just a 'trash' tree or might be something valuable. If it's a keeper I can take cuttings.
The leaves are variable in size and shape and I was thinking possibly related to mulberry?
Front and back of leave:

Variable leaf shapes:
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Oct 12, 2014 2:54 PM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
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Reminds me of an Oak of some sort but I'm so not good at comparing photo's. Check out these leaf images for Pin Oak (Quercus palustris):

https://www.google.com/search?...

Pin Oak (Quercus palustris)
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Oct 12, 2014 7:18 PM CST
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX (Zone 9a)
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The palm-like form reminds me of maple, but I've never seen one quite like that.
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Oct 12, 2014 7:24 PM CST
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I have already ruled out Oak and Maple, thanks.
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Oct 13, 2014 6:49 AM CST
Name: Porkpal
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Okay, I'd be inclined to rule out mulberry.
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Oct 13, 2014 6:56 AM CST
Name: stone
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Personally, I like it for mulberry...
I found this post about one just like it...
http://annieinaustin.blogspot....
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Oct 13, 2014 7:08 AM CST
Name: Porkpal
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Wow! That looks nothing like the mulberries around here. I'll buy that ID.
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Oct 13, 2014 7:09 AM CST
Name: Michele Roth
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I agree with mulberry.

Here's a sapling I haven't fought out yet because it's growing in the fence.


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Parent plant growing nearby.
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Oct 13, 2014 7:56 AM CST
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So far my research gives me the answer 'immature white mulberry leaf' but the answers were not from 'official tree people', only from blogs and forums.
As a rule, unless the poster is known to me I tend to mistrust those. But chelle has the actual tree so I believe her. Thank You! Lovey dubby

The dried, powdered leaves of the mulberry can be used as tea. I will take cuttings, even though this is the wrong time of year, and it they root for me I will keep the tree small, either coppiced or pollarded and harvest the young leaves.

On second thought, probably pollarded as my dog might pee on the coppiced tree leaves. Rolling on the floor laughing

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Oct 13, 2014 8:20 AM CST
Name: Michele Roth
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greene said:So far my research gives me the answer 'immature white mulberry leaf' but the answers were not from 'official tree people', only from blogs and forums.
As a rule, unless the poster is known to me I tend to mistrust those. But chelle has the actual tree so I believe her. Thank You! Lovey dubby

The dried, powdered leaves of the mulberry can be used as tea. I will take cuttings, even though this is the wrong time of year, and it they root for me I will keep the tree small, either coppiced or pollarded and harvest the young leaves.

On second thought, probably pollarded as my dog might pee on the coppiced tree leaves. Rolling on the floor laughing

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You're welcome.

Yes. We have these, and more of these, and more of these.... Rolling on the floor laughing

They grow really fast, Greene, and the taproots are generally longer than the saplings are tall! My plan was to keep that one by the driveway short and manageable...not! Whistling It got away from me very quickly. Hopefully yours will do better for you. My son and I love the fruit, but none of us appreciate the stains on the cars; from both the fallen fruit and the birds (and others) who visit it.
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Oct 13, 2014 9:07 AM CST
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I grew up eating Mulberry fruit and knew where there was one tree which gave white fruit. Until today I thought I knew every shape a Mulberry leaf could be. Guess I will stop calling it the 'mitten leaf tree'. Rolling on the floor laughing

Thanks, I will heed your warning and be watchful.
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Oct 13, 2014 10:28 AM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
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Oh, I'm so glad you got an ID on the tree! Hurray! And, it sure looks like Morus alba has many different variations in leaf shape: http://www.hsu.edu/interior2.a...

We don't have many images in the database so you should consider adding some of those leaf photos: White Mulberry (Morus alba)

I see that the pretty White Mulberry can be pest plants in some areas:

http://www.invasiveplantatlas....

http://www.nps.gov/plants/alie...

http://www.na.fs.fed.us/fhp/in...
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Oct 13, 2014 11:35 AM CST
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Thanks. If we are positive that it is Morus alba I can add some pictures to the database. Should we wait a few days in case this is a special cultivar or hybrid?
One thing I learned from all my searches. I assumed that 'alba' meant that the fruit would be white. What do I know? Several sites tell me that the fruit color can vary from white to reddish to purpley color. I'm still checking on that.
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Oct 13, 2014 11:50 AM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
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*Blush* I thought it had been positively identified. I too have always thought the botany definition for alba is "white" ...

I'd say if you aren't truly sure the plant is Morus alba to leave this open awhile and see if anyone else pops in with suggestions.
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Oct 13, 2014 11:56 AM CST
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Name: greene
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I am happy with Morus alba but someone may come along with some 'extra' information. Waiting a week should be enough time. Thumbs up
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Oct 13, 2014 12:12 PM CST
Name: Michele Roth
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I was nearly certain that I'd added quite a few pictures to the DB, but I can't find them now. I do know that I'd done a heap of research to try to figure out which mine was, but maybe I was still undecided enough that I went on to something else and forgot about it.

I guess I'll plug mine in here Mulberry (Morus) until something definitive comes up.
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Oct 13, 2014 5:22 PM CST
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Name: greene
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Sounds good; I will do the same.
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Oct 13, 2014 5:35 PM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
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That's a good idea to upload the photos at the general Mulberry entry with a caption that says "possibly Morus alba". That way if someone happens along those entries in the database and comes up with a more definitive ID they could be moved to the correct database location.
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