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Jun 5, 2017 7:21 PM CST
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Jersey City, NJ
I bought a large, gorgeous China Doll plant about 10 days ago. I took it out of the garden shop pot and promptly replanted it in a larger terracotta pot I have here at home using fresh potting soil along with the soil it came with. I tried not to disrupt the roots and, once planted, watered it a fair amount (but didn't drown by any means). It's in front of a large sliding glass door that gets loads of afternoon sun. I was SO happy with it! Over the last 48 hours, however, the leaves are ALL drooping (not dropping off, just drooping). And the plant seems to have lost is dark green sheen. Does it NEED water? Did I water it TOO much? Is it in shock and beyond hope already? Help! And Thanks In Advance!
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Jun 5, 2017 7:33 PM CST
Name: Carol
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If you didn't loosen the root ball, it may not have gotten enough water. If you did, it just needs time to acclimate to it's new surroundings.
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Jun 5, 2017 7:39 PM CST
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Thanks. I've read a couple of places that this particular plant likes to remain rootbound. Does that change your suggestion?
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Jun 5, 2017 7:49 PM CST
Name: Carol
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Not really. Root bound plants still need water , and if they have been in the pot for a while the root mass could be dryer than the new potting soil, so won't absorb the water. In that case a soak in a bucket might help. A moisture meter or a bamboo skewer or freshly sharpened pencil poked into the root area can answer that.
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Jun 5, 2017 8:25 PM CST
Name: tarev
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I would try Carol's suggestion first about soaking in a bucket..then let it drain. I wonder if it is getting way too hot by your window too, afternoon sun is often stronger, and your plant is still acclimating.

I grow my China doll outdoors in a container but it gets a good shade in the afternoon and during this time of the year it gets watered often. I even spritz the stems. Our humidity here is rather lousy, so it really helps my plant endure our long dry season.
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Jun 5, 2017 8:28 PM CST
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I've been advised that I'm terribly mistaken and that this is an indoor gardenia plant! I'm rather a novice at all this (not much in the way of successful past houseplant experience) and took my mom's word for it when she gifted it to me and said it was a China Doll.
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Jun 5, 2017 8:34 PM CST
Name: tarev
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Oh that makes sense now. I was thinking maybe my drier condition makes my China doll leaves smaller. I don't grow gardenias, hope someone else can give you advise about it. Good luck!
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Jun 5, 2017 8:51 PM CST
Name: Carol
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Ah! That old problem with common names. I haven't tried to grow Gardenia for many years, but I don't know of any that are house plants...at least in my area. All I know about them is that they are acid lovers and need some sun. How much sun I don't know.
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Jun 6, 2017 4:50 PM CST
Name: Will Creed
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It is apparent from the photo you posted that it is not a China Doll. Glad you got clarification on that.

Gardenias need to be quite potbound, cool temps, soil kept moist, protection from direct sunlight and their roots left undisturbed. It is hard to advise you on the watering because we don't have details on the repotting.

Gardenias are not easy plants and they are quite demanding in having all of their requirements met and not very forgiving when they are not.
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Jun 20, 2017 3:19 PM CST
Name: Laurens Passer

Good advice WillC, I would recommend to use a soil moisture meter. This is because your fingertips will not be as accurate as a meter. The best is to make a test with a meter and make a test with the tips of your fingertips. You don't need a very expensive meter to measure it. A cheap one will do the job, it is just to compare it with your current thoughts. Here you have some cheap but high quality meters: https://bestmoisturemeters.com... that I bought. I use the Dr.Meter Moisture Sensor Hydrometer for Indoor/Outdoor Use myself for my plants. Maybe other people have better suggestions, but I think a meter is always good to use.
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Jun 20, 2017 5:13 PM CST
Name: Carol
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A freshly sharpened pencil or wood chopstick/skewer will also tell you how deep the moisture goes. You can see where the wood is damp.
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Jun 21, 2017 1:32 AM CST
Name: Laurens Passer

Also true, I would use a few pencils/chopsticks then to stick it in the ground on different places. And compare the different places and the moist in those places. And with those resulst you can determine if you need to water them or not. Personal I still think a moisture meter is more accurate, but everyone has their own preferences. Hurray!
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Jun 21, 2017 9:54 AM CST
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Also, if it turns out that it does need watering, lift the pot up after watering and see how heavy it is. That way you'll have an idea what it feels like when it doesn't need watering. Water is heavy, so if the soil is dry, that pot will feel a lot lighter. By the way, unglazed terracotta pots dry out a LOT faster than glazed ceramic or plastic pots.
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Jun 24, 2017 9:43 AM CST
Name: Will Creed
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A few thoughts on determining how moist the soil is. Moisture meters are not always accurate although they appear to be scientifically so. They measure conductivity, not moisture directly. The premise is that wet soil conducts electricity better than dry soil. That's true, but how compact the soil is and the mineral content of the soil also affect conductivity. Thus, the meters may be accurate with some soils, but not others. The problem is that we allow them to overrule our common sense because they seem to be so scientific.

Determining moisture content by weight is very subjective. Weight can be affected by soil density and other factors. Until you know how to associate a particular weight with the soil moisture, you are simply guessing.

I do think the old fashioned finger in the soil is still the most reliable way to go, although that too has a learning curve. The bottom line is that there is no easy and completely accurate method for determining the moisture content of a plant's soil. It takes some educated guesses, some mistakes, and understanding that what works for me may not work for others.
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