Maurice, I love that we can always count on you to jump in on any genetics questions. I know I keep saying that, but it's a fine thing when you have someone as dependable and reliably helpful as you on a topic. Thank you.
You said:
admmad said:Does one of the parents produce many large seeds as a pod parent and the other produces fewer or smaller seeds as the pod parent.
This is actually party of an effort I hope to expand soon in my garden. I don't know what levels to which others go when it comes to recording pod-related information, but I endeavor to use my results at some point in the future to record average numbers of seeds produced by each cultivar, taking into account pollen parents (I have noticed that nearly all of my crosses with Lights of Detroit as pollen parent have significantly reduced seed counts than normal and a much higher propensity for squishy/rotten seeds).
I am interested to see how much bloom size of a plant (and, therefore, in theory....pod size) impacts the number of seeds produced...it seems to have a role, but not always**. That is, of course, also largely influenced by the size of the seeds it produces....(which is usually stable, but I think there have been some instances where the pollen parent had a slight impact on seed size... I'm not to that level of detail yet in my data collection, though.) And although diploid seeds tend to be noticeably smaller than tetraploid seeds, that isn't always the case. There is SO much variability in seed size (and shape) with dip seeds. ... And a bit in tets, too.
I'm hoping to compile all of my research over the last few years and over the next couple of years and see what sorts of things reveal themselves.
Genetics is such an interesting topic, but especially so when you're dealing with something as fun and beautiful as daylilies!
My hope/goal is that eventually we can have this information be part of the info grid for daylilies in the Garden.org database, but I wager I'll have to make a very compelling case for it, so I'm waiting to see if the data indicates reliable averages that warrant special info boxes. The extra boxes I am hoping to make a case for include:
pod color (green, purple-top, or variable... This one is more for fun, but may also help confirm cultivar types if the plant ID is in question),
pod shape (round/bulbous, elongated, pumpkin-shaped, other),
average seed count (this one will be tricky, but I'm thinking ranges in 5-seed increments would be good here), and, if there is evidence to warrant it, a link to 2 lists: a list of pollen parents (or pod parents) that cultivar doesn't seem to do well with and a list of cultivars it seems to prefer. This might vary between gardens and prove too difficult, but then again, it might not. Last year I discovered that Crazy Miss Daisy (which may have triploid tendencies per the database) loved Absolute Ripper, but rejected almost all other pollen I put on it. There would seem to be something to that.
There is also the temperature argument...I try to keep a daily log with generic info on when I pollinated, the temperature (if I know it), and general weather conditions. I need to get a lot more accurate/specific in the future, but it's a start...
Okay, I clearly went off on a tangent, but
if there are others of you that have excellent record keeping and are willing to embark on this journey with me... I would love to see what kind of data we come up with, even if it isn't done in perfectly controlled settings, I feel there would be a lot of useful data.
**(Yellow Hornet produced very large, elongated pods that probably could have held 20+ seeds, but most are only producing 5 or less, but they are sizeable seeds for a dip, atleast.)