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Jul 22, 2018 10:26 PM CST
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Name: Mark P
North Adams, Massachusetts (Zone 5b)
Hi all,

I am new here. My name is Mark I live in North Adams, Massachusetts. For gardens I have a few flower gardens. Stuff that doesn't take much work in maintenance, like northeast wild flower mix and sunflowers. There are a few perennial flowers mixed in too. As occupation I run an automotive transmission shop. To beautify the grounds at the shop I have planted some flower beds. One of the flower beds with just sunflower mix isn't doing very well. I've planted the same mix at my house and the sunflower stalks are already 8 feet. These are 1 to 2 feet tall. I believe it's the soil for the reduced growth. It was kinda expected that they wouldn't do so good as the lot consists of fill from river rock and demolished buildings from 30+ years ago. The top layer has grown weeds pretty well for years. The worst patches of the sunflowers have a yellowish vine that appears to be attacking or sucking nutrients from the sunflowers. I'm curious to what this is and how to handle removing it. A landscaper friend of mine says to snip it at the root. I don't see where these vines are rooted to the ground. Here is a picture of the sunflowers and vines.

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thanks,
Mark
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Jul 23, 2018 3:15 AM CST
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Name: Allison
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Wow not sure what that is .. can hit Google and see what I find
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Jul 23, 2018 3:27 AM CST
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Name: Allison
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Reading more on it .. seems the seeds can live 5 to 10 years .. preen and cover the soil with cardboard or plastic .. we have bittersweet vines here .. nothing like that .. seems it is going to be a task to get rid of .. so sorry
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Jul 23, 2018 3:56 AM CST
Name: Jim
Northeast Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
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Welcome Mark ! Welcome!

My first guess was some kind of wild morning glory, then when I read Allison's Wikipedia reference it mentions the morning glory family. We have an area in our gardens that was built up a few years ago from fill brought in by a contractor. It wasn't the cleanest fill in the world, but it was cheap. I then put a layer of clean top soil on top of the fill. Ever since I have been battling a similar vine that does the same thing as the ones you have. It winds it's way around anything I plant in that area. It grows very fast and looks just like a wild morning glory. About every two to three days I go through that area and pull any of them I see. I don't snip them as your landscaper friend says. The vines grow from "mother roots" that are under the soil and can be quite extensive. Pulling the vines I see separates them from the mother root rather than just severing them at the ground where they can easily grow again. It's been a battle, but after a few years, I think I am winning. I am not seeing as many anymore. My theory is by diligently eliminating any vines that start to grow, I may be depriving the mother roots from nourishment, and they may be starting to die off. At least I am hopeful. Look closely, and you will see where they are coming out of the ground. Pull easily, and if they are similar to the ones I have, you can often pull them from the mother root rather than just breaking them off allowing the same ones to grow back. You'll know you severed one from the mother root if you get a piece about 4 to 6 inches below ground to come along with it. This piece will be a much lighter, almost white color, and will have no roots. Forget about digging the whole area up and trying to remove the mother roots. If you miss even a small piece, the plant will continue to grow sending up new shoots. The more shoots, the more the mother roots are being nourished, so you have to be very diligent in staying after they new ones that emerge. Hope this helps.
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Jul 23, 2018 6:08 AM CST
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Name: Mark P
North Adams, Massachusetts (Zone 5b)
Thanks for the quick replies! It certainly looks like the Cuscuta aka Dodder. I'm wondering if there is a chemical treatment that would not hurt the sunflowers? Spraying would be the easiest thing to do. While not crazy about chemicals perhaps I should Round-up the sections with the Dodder before it gets everywhere.
thanks,
Mark
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Jul 23, 2018 7:23 AM CST
Name: Jim
Northeast Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
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I would only use a chemical like Round-up if you don't mind losing the flowers you have there now. Also, it may take repeated applications to kill off the roots below the ground.
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Jul 23, 2018 7:44 AM CST
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Rhizomes.
Sometimes a little roundup is needed.
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Jul 23, 2018 7:55 AM CST
Name: Marilyn
CT (Zone 5b)
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Dodder is a menace.......I would spray the ground in the fall with something like Round Up....then Keep black plastic over the beds for an entire year.....I see it where I walk my dog....try to keep her far away from it in case some gets in her fur! If you don't like the look of just the black plastic over the beds, you could plant annuals in pots & keep them on top of the plastic.
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Jul 23, 2018 4:14 PM CST
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Name: Allison
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Or do a raised bed on the plastic as we have .. just with annual flowers
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Aug 1, 2018 1:52 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Mark P
North Adams, Massachusetts (Zone 5b)
Anyone try Dacthal?
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Aug 1, 2018 3:51 PM CST
Name: Marilyn
CT (Zone 5b)
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No....but if it gets rid of poison ivy & wisteria, I will try it!
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Aug 2, 2018 3:53 AM CST
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Name: Allison
NJ (Zone 6a)
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We have lots of PI this year too
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Aug 2, 2018 10:25 AM CST
Name: Marilyn
CT (Zone 5b)
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Result of global warming...more PI with stronger oils.....I've been in this house over 40 years....1st time I've had PI climbing onto my porch!
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Aug 2, 2018 1:56 PM CST
Name: Jim
Northeast Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
Gardens feed my body, soul & spirit
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More PI the result of global warming? That's a new theory. Whistling
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Aug 2, 2018 4:52 PM CST
Name: Marilyn
CT (Zone 5b)
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Happening right here......never saw so much PI.....it's everywhere!
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Aug 3, 2018 2:41 AM CST
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Name: Allison
NJ (Zone 6a)
Charter ATP Member Forum moderator I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Dog Lover Hummingbirder Container Gardener
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Been taking either sandwich bags or food store bags .. depending on the size.. and pulling them and putting it in another garbage bag .. of course with gloves on .. but at least I am covered
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Aug 3, 2018 9:48 AM CST
Name: Marilyn
CT (Zone 5b)
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Never thought of that......guess I'll give it a try.
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Aug 4, 2018 3:35 AM CST
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Name: Allison
NJ (Zone 6a)
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I was trying to get out as much as I could while they are still small .. easier to deal with
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