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Aug 7, 2018 4:58 PM CST
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Hi there! I'm seeking advice and hoping perhaps there will be some kind people here that can share their knowledge Smiling

I have a sempervivum that has had a lot of vertical growth, I think because it didn't have enough light. It's doing better now I've put it in a lighter spot (the leaves have started pointing upwards instead of downwards). But ultimately at this point it just looks really weird, due to my failure to care for it properly, and I'm beginning to think about giving up on it. But rather than giving up on it, I was wondering if it would be possible to propagate a new plant from it using a leaf? I can't propagate it from pups (I think that's what they're called) as it has never produced any; it also has only flowered once in the time I've owned it, so it's unlikely I'd be able to propagate it that way..

I attach a photo below - many thanks to anyone that can help!

Pfeffernusse


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Aug 7, 2018 5:20 PM CST
Name: Bev
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I think you have more of something like an echeveria than a sempervivum. In which case, you can use the leaves for propagation. I would be tempted to gently twist the bottom leaves off the main stem and let them sit for 24 hrs for each leaf wound to scab. Then lay the leaves on top of damp soil and let the roots come in. When you see roots coming from the base of the leaf, then place rooted base of leaf into the soil. Leave the leaflets in minimal light as they develop roots.
You can twist off as many leaves as you want, but I would be tempted to leave the top intact with its surrounding bunch of leaves and a little stem and cut it from the main stem. Again, let stem wound callous and develop some roots and plant that back into the soil. It should be like a new plant but just shorter.
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Aug 7, 2018 5:41 PM CST
Name: Karen
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I agree it's not a sempervivum. If that lower saucer can be removed, get rid of it. These plants shouldn't ever stand in water.
Leaf rooting will work, but you have to be patient. It's not a fast process.
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Aug 8, 2018 9:27 AM CST
Name: BigT
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Welcome! Pfeffernusse

I like it. You mention that it bloomed once and has not since. It's not a sempervivum as the rosette dies after blooming. I agree with Bev that it most likely is an echeveria. The growth may not be typical of an echeveria grown in strong light, I find the form of your plant pleasantly attractive and unique. I disagree with your assessment that you haven't cared for it properly and that it's weird. Evidently it's your care that has acclimated your plant to grow well in less than ideal conditions. I see lots of healthy looking leaves, all of equal size and shape, with a full, compact growing tip. Typically a high light plant such as this would have a long, lanky growing tip reaching for more light, with few if any healthy leaves below. I personally would not change a thing about how you've been growing it. Myself, I would like to see just how long I could grow this and keep it relatively healthy, even though the stem may eventually be exposed. I find it fascinating that you've kept this looking so healthy.

If it were mine, I would carefully remove the dead leaves at the base. Start nearest the soil, using tweezers detach each dead leaf as you go around the plant. Once all the dead leaves are removed, I would carefully remove the bottom row of healthy leaves for propagation. I like to grasp the lowest leaf near the mid point, being careful not to crush it. I then move the entire leaf to one side and wait for a "pop" as that side of the leaf detaches from the stem. I then move in the opposite direction until the leaf pulls free. Ideally the entire leaf detaches from the stem. Sometimes the leaf might break leaving a small bit attached to the stem. Some growers cut the leaves off with scissors or a sharp knife. In my experience fully detached leaves tend to root faster and produce new plantlets sooner than broken or cut leaves. Those can still produce roots and new plants, it just seems that it takes them longer. I place each leaf on an individual 2 1/2" nursery pot full of soil and top dressed with a thin layer of fine gravel. It's been my experience that leaves laid directly on the soil can sometimes develop a fungus and eventually rot away. The gravel still allows for good root development with less risk of fungal development. Once the roots start to grow, I don't like to disturb them. Changes in conditions can lead to a transplant shock, slowing further growth. Instead I let the roots grow down through the gravel into the soil. A healthy rosette will soon appear and typically as the rosette grows the parent leaf tends to die back, although not always. I have had instances where the leaf continued to grow along with the rosette. These I remove the leaf with a sharp knife. Once the rosette begins to develop I move it into stronger light slowly acclimating it until it can take full on bright light.
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Aug 8, 2018 11:55 AM CST
Name: Lizzy
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All these guys know their stuff Pfeffernusse. They have helped me immensely in the short time I've been nosing around here.
I'm like Big T though in that I think it's rather cool looking. However if you decide to propagate some of the leaves, I can attest to the fact that it does take a boat load of time. I have leaves that have the teensiest plants. I'm talking like pencil eraser sized and under, that have taken a few months to just get that big.
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Aug 9, 2018 3:08 AM CST
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Dear Mefforde, plantmanager, Bigtattoo, and webesemps,

Thanks so much for your knowledge and advice! And for the welcome emojis :)

You are all totally right - I remember now that when I bought it, it was labelled as an echeveria, not a sempervivum. So thanks for helping me identify my plant correctly!

Bigtattoo's post made me think ... I guess ultimately I need to make a decision about whether to leave it growing as it is and see what happens, or whether to remove the top part to develop it in a different way as webesemps explained you can do. I can see the merits of both courses of action. I will report back on what I decide!

But either way I will for sure remove some of the lower leaves to propagate - thanks Mefforde and plantmanager for the warnings about being patient!

Pfeffernusse

Thank You!
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Aug 9, 2018 2:37 PM CST
Name: Greg Colucci
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Hi P I didn't read all the posts but want to make sure you realize that once the plant is grown out like this, it doesn't get back the rosette shape, which is why cutting off the top portion, that still has some rosette shape will bring the plant back to that condition - however I totally agree that having plants grow in unusual forms can be interesting! Thumbs up
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Aug 9, 2018 8:32 PM CST
Name: Lizzy
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You're most welcome P!
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Aug 10, 2018 2:01 PM CST
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Thanks for that thought gg5. Yes I guess I'm now making a decision about whether I like the unusual shape or whether I want to try to return it to having a rosette shape!
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Jul 30, 2019 10:58 AM CST
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Well, here's an update a year later! I kept my echeveria as it was, with its unusual shape, as some suggested, and that was a fun and interesting experiment for the last year. But then eventually it got so tall it started falling over! So I cut it down to the top leaves, as others on here had suggested, waited for it the stem to callus and grow some roots, and then repotted it - pic attached. I think it looks nice and neat and hopefully it'll grow in a more usual way now that I have it in a lighter spot. So thanks again to all the helpful people on this thread - I ended up following everybody's advice!
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Jul 30, 2019 11:51 AM CST
Name: Bev
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Oh, it looks great! Lovey dubby Pat yourself on the back...you did a good job remedying the problem and caring for the plant that's come back to the beautiful way it was meant to look!
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Pfeffernusse I agree, you did a great job of caring for your echeveria. It is lovely.
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