Plant Database forum: unregistered daylilies in database

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Name: Juli
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May 24, 2012 8:33 AM CST
A member wrote to me to inform me that there is an unregistered daylily in the database. They have listed "Unregistered" in the hybridizer area. The daylily is "Nashville Star."

I don't think that we should have unregistered ones in the database. With over 70,000 registered... and given that there are hundreds of thousands of seedlings blooming each year in people's gardens and seedling beds - we could create quite a bit of confusion if people start putting what, in effect, are seedlings in the database.

When a person sees a plant like this, should they click "delete this plant" button, contact Sue or Shrug! Shrug! Shrug!

I wish there were a way to prevent people from putting seedlings into the database. Maybe this one showed up because people put it on their Plant List? I don't think we should prevent new entries that were not imported from the AHS database because there are new introductions that are out in commerce but have not had the details added to the AHS database yet (until published in the AHS checklist).

Any ideas?
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dave
May 24, 2012 11:05 AM CST

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All new plants go through the Daylilies moderator (Calif_Sue) so she approves or declines them all. This one may have come through some time ago through a robot that I have that visits sites and tries to find new varieties.

Anyone can click to delete the plant, but the action has to be approved by Sue before it will actually be deleted. And a plant can't be deleted until the photos are moved out to a different entry (or deleted altogether).
Name: Juli
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daylily
May 24, 2012 2:14 PM CST
So, the best thing would be to click the delete button, then Sue will see it. (if I understand ...)
Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
May 24, 2012 3:34 PM CST

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Yep, that's it!
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Calif_Sue
May 24, 2012 9:39 PM CST

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Yes, as Dave says, that came through from other sites way before all the registered daylilies from AHS were added. I don't approve any new entries unless I check the AHS first and they have a link for us to add so no seedlings will be approved. Only ones being added by members now are brand new 2012 intros.
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Name: Juli
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May 24, 2012 10:55 PM CST
Thanks, Sue!
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PollyK
Jun 28, 2012 9:33 AM CST
Patrob just brought this to my attention that we are doing things differently in the iris database. And I know this was discussed with Dave before somewhere. We are allowing the unregistered irises in the database. The AIS has a strong registry also, but the iris industry is being inundated with Dutch grown irises that have made up names.

What we are doing is allowing the iris in the database, and then noting it's unregistered and therefor may be variable.

Thing is, a lot of plants have no registry. And I know a lot of people are buying the unregistered irises, so how can we exclude them? They're out there for sale. I think it's better to include them, and make note that they're unregistered.

Daylilies may be different for some reason.

We already had one good example with Iris ensata Pink Lady

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pardalinum
Jun 28, 2012 9:43 AM CST
We do the same with lilies, with a comment. Also I am finding that it is not unusual for a lily that was not initially registered become registered sometime later.

Maybe the addition of a checkbox for registration would be useful...
Name: Juli
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daylily
Jun 28, 2012 10:23 AM CST
My feeling is that there is so much confusion in daylilies by unregistered (seedlings) plants, that I personally don't think they should be in the database.

We could have garden names of unregistered plants - but who would fill in the information on height etc - there could be any number of plants that have the same garden name. If I use your example of the name Pink Lady - what if I call a 14" tall, 1-1/2" rose daylily that I don't know the name of or that has no name "Pink Lady" yet another grower has one they call "Pink Lady" that is a 48" tall, 14" spidery daylily that is such a light pink that it is nearly white. Then, which one is "Pink Lady" ??

Then, in daylilies, we have growers/sellers who put their own name on an old registered daylily to sell it. I know of one grower who did this and then mass marketed the mis-named daylily to nurseries and big box stores. Which name should it be under? I don't think there should be two entries...

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