Clematis forum: ..and another not in my lists - any ideas?

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Name: Michele Roth
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chelle
Jun 1, 2012 4:59 PM CST
Bloom is approx. 3 to 4" in size, and nodding. Color in these photos is dead-on true. Smiling

Reverse is nearly white - it's quite striking.


Thumb of 2012-06-01/chelle/32da68
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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Jun 1, 2012 6:11 PM CST

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How would you describe the color of the tepals? Do you remember where you bought it? Was it Joy Creek?
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chelle
Jun 1, 2012 7:41 PM CST
It didn't come from Joy Creek, but I'm unsure which company this one actually did come from.

I guess I'd call the color a reddish magenta, with upper vein surfaces a rosy maroon and inner spaces between veins a flushed pink. Reverse is a light gray, smoky-looking color.
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Name: Zuzu
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Jun 1, 2012 8:30 PM CST

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Oh, darn it. I found a possible one and posted a link to it, but now I see that I must have closed that tab before I sent the message and now I don't remember the name. I'll look for it again.

Okay, I found it. This is the one that looked promising to me. You can see a tiny piece of a light reverse in one of the photos. I know the tepal colors don't match completely, but it's a difficult color to capture, and the anthers match nicely.

Clematis (Clematis viticella 'Abundance')
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chelle
Jun 2, 2012 5:47 AM CST
Wow! You are awesome, Zuzu! Thank you.

The company that sent it sells both Abundance and Carmencita, which does look possible now that you've got me this far - except...I don't see any signs of Carmencita having five tepals. My plant does display the characteristic longer pistils than stamens...

...but wait! Look here! This says that Carmencita can have 4 - 6 tepals, so I guess they did send the right plant, after all. Hurray!

http://www.clematis.hull.ac.uk/new-clemdetail.cfm?dbkey=565


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Name: Michele Roth
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chelle
Jun 3, 2012 5:55 AM CST
Another of the reverse.
Thumb of 2012-06-03/chelle/a93e43

Pistils look to be longer than stamens.
Thumb of 2012-06-03/chelle/2bb168

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'Carmencita', right?
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Name: Brian
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bearsearch
Jun 3, 2012 8:27 AM CST
I was thinking Abundance as well but now that mine is blooming I checked it out and the pistil and stamens are not the same as in your picture. In Abundance they are the same length and a light yellowish colour where your photo clearly shows longer pistils than stamens and they are purplish blue in colour. I find most of my viticella clematis of this colour range to be very difficult to photograph and get good representation of colour and I find that the flowers themselves can vary quite a bit in colour intensity with the weather.
Name: Michele Roth
N.E. Indiana - Zone 5b
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chelle
Jun 3, 2012 9:30 AM CST
Thanks, Brian! I tip my hat to you.

I'll add it to the DB as Carmencita. Big Grin

[I'm tickled pink that I got what I ordered! Hurray! ]
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