Plant Database forum: Another name error?

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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Jun 6, 2012 12:10 PM CST
Any thoughts on this one? I think this plant: African Mask (Alocasia 'Polly') should be listed as:

Alocasia Amazonica Poly.

My first plant years ago was labeled Alocasia Amazonica 'Poly' and then I saw one at another nursery a few years later with a label that read: Alocasia x amazonica 'Polly" which was confusing. The late Steve Lucas of Exotic Rainforest : http://www.exoticrainforest.com/Alocasia%20micholitziana%20%... (who was very knowledgeable when it came to Aroids) said that A. Amazonica 'Poly' was the correct name.



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Calif_Sue
Jun 7, 2012 12:44 AM CST

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So since he says the "name is not scientific but is instead a horticultural common name", sounds like it just needs the species section cleared and the Alocasia Amazonica added to the common name field, leaving in the cultivar name as is.
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krancmm
Jun 7, 2012 6:15 AM CST
Actually, Alocasia amazonica is not listed in ITIS, ThePlantList.org, TROPICOS, WCPR.

Alocasia x amazonica is listed as an invalid synonym of Alocasia x mortfontanensis André, Rev. Hort. 63: 174 (1891) which itself is under review and an unplaced name.

The originial publication details list it as an "artificial hybrid or cultivar" of A. longiloba × A. sanderiana.

Your reference to Exotic Rainforest clearly states "Alocasia Amazonica
This plant is a hybrid and not a species.
The name is not scientific but is instead a horticultural common name" http://www.exoticrainforest.com/Alocasia%20micholitziana%20%...

I think your best bet is to list it simply as Alocasia hybrid 'Poly'; Then as Sue suggests. list all the common names such as A. x amazonica and A. amazonica, as well as the cultivar "Polly" - since it's being sold under all those names. Then move any photos or details from the incorrect entries and delete the plant listings for A amazonica and A. x amazonica since they don't exist botanically.

You may want to comment on this mess!
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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Jun 7, 2012 6:27 AM CST
LOL ... I will let the experts sort it all out. I'm just a novice and it gets very confusing to me.
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krancmm
Jun 7, 2012 8:47 AM CST
No expert here, but it's somewhat unraveled. Your plant is now in the approval queue as Alocasia x 'Poly', with a whole bunch of common names and synonyms referring to amazonica and 'Polly'. The other entry of Alocasia amazonica is deleted. Whew.
Monica
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plantladylin
Jun 7, 2012 8:53 AM CST
Thanks so much!!
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Calif_Sue
Jun 7, 2012 9:41 AM CST

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OK, check my work, I made the changes. I just left out the A. x amazonica since it's not an official scientific name, if it was, it would have gone into the Synonyms section.
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Calif_Sue
Jun 7, 2012 9:42 AM CST

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Oh shoot, I left my post open too long, let me go check the queue. Green Grin!
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dave
Jun 7, 2012 9:44 AM CST

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Sorry Sue, I approved the proposal some time ago (before you posted here)
Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Jun 7, 2012 9:44 AM CST
I tip my hat to you. Looks good Sue ... & Dave. Thanks!

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Name: Suzanne/Sue
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Calif_Sue
Jun 7, 2012 9:48 AM CST

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OK, now I don't see any of the other synonyms listed as Monica mentioned. I didn't remove anything other than the
x amazonica in the species section and I added the Alocasia Amazonica to the common name. Did I mess something up?
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krancmm
Jun 7, 2012 9:53 AM CST
I give up and will retreat from this thread quietly.
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dave
Jun 7, 2012 9:57 AM CST

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Sue's proposal came AFTER I approved Monica's proposal. This is an unfortunate occurrence that can't easily be avoided.

I pulled our Monica's previously approved proposal and resubmitted it, so all the synonyms are now present.
Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Jun 7, 2012 10:02 AM CST
Hurray! Perfect!
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Calif_Sue
Jun 7, 2012 10:04 AM CST

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Oh my, so sorry about that one Monica! Bad timing on my part, I had the entry open while reading through the rest of the info and in the meantime, Dave had approved your proposal so on my end, I never saw those. Good lesson learned for me, never leave editing pages open too long!
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