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Name: Lee Anne Stark
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threegardeners
Jun 6, 2012 2:52 PM CST
This tree always stands out in a forest because it's very droopy in nature. Any ideas?
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plantladylin
Jun 6, 2012 3:43 PM CST
Hi Lee Anne! It reminds me a bit of Asimina triloba (Paw Paw):

Pawpaw (Asimina triloba)

http://www.exoticrainforest.com/Alocasia%20micholitziana%20%...
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threegardeners
Jun 6, 2012 3:44 PM CST
It does...but, in Canada??
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Sharon
Jun 6, 2012 4:34 PM CST
The leaves resemble pawpaw but the limbs of the common pawpaw don't weep like in your picture.
They have an upward growth.
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plantladylin
Jun 6, 2012 4:38 PM CST
threegardeners said:It does...but, in Canada??

Well, I didn't think so at first but found this when googling. Scroll down to Paw Paw: http://www.ehow.com/list_7327604_list-trees-niagara-falls_-o...



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plantladylin
Jun 6, 2012 4:40 PM CST
Check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asimina_triloba
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threegardeners
Jun 6, 2012 4:41 PM CST
cool! This tree was as tall as the Maples...huge!! Maybe tomorrow I'll go back and see if I can wade in there and get a shot of its trunk.
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threegardeners
Jun 6, 2012 4:42 PM CST
Lin...I'm way Norther than the green areas in the map though...
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plantladylin
Jun 6, 2012 4:42 PM CST
Also from Wikipedia:

Eight species of Asimina are currently recognized.[5]
Asimina angustifolia Raf. - Slimleaf pawpaw, (also known as Asimina longifolia). Florida, Georgia, and Alabama.
Asimina incana (W. Bartram) Exell - Woolly pawpaw. Florida and Georgia. (Annona incana W. Bartram[6])
Asimina obovata (Willd.) Nash - Bigflower pawpaw. Florida (Annona obovata Willd.[7])
Asimina parviflora (Michx.) Dunal - Smallflower pawpaw. Southern states from Texas to Virginia.
Asimina pygmea (W. Bartram) Dunal - Dwarf pawpaw. Florida and Georgia.
Asimina reticulata Shuttlw. ex Chapman - Netted pawpaw. Florida and Georgia.
Asimina tetramera Small - Fourpetal pawpaw. Florida (Endangered)
Asimina triloba (L.) Dunal - Common pawpaw. Extreme southern Ontario, Canada, and the eastern United States from New York west to southeast Nebraska, and south to northern Florida and eastern Texas. (Annona triloba L.[8])
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plantladylin
Jun 6, 2012 4:50 PM CST
LOL ... guess it ain't Paw Paw then.

Another WILD guess as my eyes aren't what they used to be and I'm so NOT good at comparing photo's. Green Grin!

Persimmon Perhaps?

http://www.google.com/search?q=Diospyros+virginiana&hl=en&pr...
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threegardeners
Jun 6, 2012 4:54 PM CST
nope...as much as I'd love for it to be I'd of remembered any kind of fruit :)

Here's another pic of leaves:
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Jun 6, 2012 5:22 PM CST

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It's not Paw Paw or Persimmon as the leaves of those trees are not toothed like that. Might be Rock Elm (Ulmus thomasii) or possibly Slippery Elm (Ulmus rubra). Not sure why the branches are drooping, but elms grow that way occasionally.
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dave
Jun 6, 2012 5:26 PM CST

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I started to think Elm, but it may also be Betula. What does the bark look like?
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threegardeners
Jun 6, 2012 5:28 PM CST
I think you might have it, but I can't tell the difference between them...
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threegardeners
Jun 6, 2012 5:30 PM CST
Dave might be right too...gonna go tomorrow and get a bark pic.
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Sharon
Jun 6, 2012 5:35 PM CST
Betula pendula also has the drooping/weeping look.

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JRsbugs
Jun 6, 2012 5:47 PM CST
Carpinus caroliniana has very similar leaves,

http://www.forestryimages.org/browse/detail.cfm?imgnum=00083...

http://luirig.altervista.org/schedenam/fnam.php?taxon=Carpin...

Ostrya virginiana is in the same family, it looks have a more weeping habit ..

http://luirig.altervista.org/schedenam/fnam.php?taxon=Ostrya...

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Ostrya+virginiana&um=1&ie=U...

Photos of the bark ..

http://www.duke.edu/~cwcook/trees/osvi.html

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threegardeners
Jun 6, 2012 6:29 PM CST
I zoomed over and got some more shots:
Bark:
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The way the leaves grow:
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Horntoad
Jun 6, 2012 6:47 PM CST
I have no clue what this is but one key feature you need to look at is the way the base of the leaf are extremely offset.
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krancmm
Jun 6, 2012 6:56 PM CST
Oh shoot, everyone else is playing...my guess is Ulmus americana. Dirr's Manual of Woody Landscape Plants notes 3 distinct habits which include "a vase-shaped form in which the trunk divides into several erect limbs strongly arched above and terminating in numerous slender, often pendulous branchlets.

Also has the oblique leaf base and double serrated leaves w/ pointed tip and leaf veins running straight to margin.
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