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Jun 12, 2012 6:55 AM CST
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Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
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Today I photographed a plant on a waste field and found a perfect match with the pictures on this French site:
It says: Medicago sativa subsp. media
and when looking at the long list synonyms they give; I see quite a few which are entered in our database..
Now, I am not entirely sure if I can take this serious looking site as an authority or not..

http://www.florealpes.com/fich...
http://www.florealpes.com/sele...

http://garden.org/plants/searc...
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Jun 12, 2012 7:50 AM CST
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Name: Dave Whitinger
Southlake, Texas (Zone 8a)
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There are lots and lots of synonyms in Medicago.

http://www.theplantlist.org/tp...

Do we need them all listed in our database? It would be good to have them but I don't think it's a problem if we don't. Many of those synonyms are unresolved with low confidence.
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Jun 12, 2012 8:07 AM CST
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Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
Bee Lover Organic Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Frogs and Toads Ferns I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Charter ATP Member Cat Lover Birds Plant Identifier
I personally don't think it is necessary to have that huge list of synonyms in our database, but I still don't know if I can add Medicago sativa subs.media like it is named on the French botanical site..as that name is not in the database yet? I seems to be a natural hybrid between Medicago falcata and Medicago sativa. My botanical book (which is quite old dating from around 1950) says: Medicago falcata x sativa..
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Jun 12, 2012 8:11 AM CST
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Name: Dave Whitinger
Southlake, Texas (Zone 8a)
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The only online reference I can find to Medicago sativa subsp. media is that french site your referenced, along with a few other french sites.

I would probably say listing the species as "falcata x sativa" would be safer.
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Jun 12, 2012 8:38 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
Bee Lover Organic Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Frogs and Toads Ferns I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Charter ATP Member Cat Lover Birds Plant Identifier
OK got it Dave! Smiling
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Jun 12, 2012 10:28 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
Bee Lover Organic Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Frogs and Toads Ferns I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Charter ATP Member Cat Lover Birds Plant Identifier
Dave when I typed in : Medicago falcata x sativa in the search box:
it gives me this:Medicago sativa subsp. falcata.:
http://garden.org/plants/searc... Confused
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Jun 12, 2012 11:40 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
Bee Lover Organic Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Frogs and Toads Ferns I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Charter ATP Member Cat Lover Birds Plant Identifier
I found out when I entered it under Medicago falcata x sativa it got accepted! Smiling
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Jun 13, 2012 6:59 AM CST
Name: Monica
Texas Gulf Coast (Zone 9b)
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Actually, it appears that your plant is Medicago sativa subsp. varia http://www.ildis.org/cgi-bin/A...

Under that citation is the common name in French of Luzerne Bigarree which is the same as that listed in the original post http://www.florealpes.com/fich...

Interesting in that it's a hybrid but considered a sub-species because it appears independently in many geographic regions.
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Jun 13, 2012 7:09 AM CST
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Name: Dave Whitinger
Southlake, Texas (Zone 8a)
Region: Texas Seed Starter Vegetable Grower Tomato Heads Vermiculture Garden Research Contributor
Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Master Level Region: Ukraine Garden Sages
Thanks for that, Monica. I edited the plant.

Medicago sativa subsp. varia
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Jun 13, 2012 7:53 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
Bee Lover Organic Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Frogs and Toads Ferns I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Charter ATP Member Cat Lover Birds Plant Identifier
Thank you Monica! Nice to know too that that French site seems to be reliable! Smiling
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