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Jun 1, 2019 2:16 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Nick Rowlett
Gladstone, OR (Zone 7a)
NOTES
Wed, May 21, 2014
I went next door yesterday to talk to Sharon Crown (Crown Apple namesake) and her niece, Jean Crown came over for a visit. I had a chance to ask Jean about the apple tree. She was living in the house here when my dad bought the property from her dad (Dr. Crown) in 1967 and the large old apple tree was there since she could remember. She appeared to be about my brother's age - who was there also - about late 50s, and they knew some people in common. I think she must still live in the Gladstone area somewhere.
Jean Crown thought the apple tree was a MacIntosh apple. I told her my research led me to believe that it was a Pippin type apple, but I would keep what she said about it in mind. I also told her that I plan to have someone from the Home Orchard Society based at Clackamas Community College come and take a look at it once it bears apples that remain on the tree until late in the year, like the original tree did. I mentioned to her that the present tree is a root sapling from the old original tree.
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Jun 1, 2019 2:20 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Nick Rowlett
Gladstone, OR (Zone 7a)
This is how the Crown Apple Tree looks today (1 June 2019)
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Jun 1, 2019 2:24 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Nick Rowlett
Gladstone, OR (Zone 7a)
the pic did not post last time (sorry, I'm new to Garden.org)

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Jun 1, 2019 2:30 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Nick Rowlett
Gladstone, OR (Zone 7a)
Crown Apple Tree 1 June 2019

below it : a rose bush planted about the time the original Crown Apple was planted (1945) - Sharon Crown told me in 2014 that it is a Rose of Sharon and it was planted in honor of her (Sharon Crown).
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Jun 1, 2019 2:53 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Nick Rowlett
Gladstone, OR (Zone 7a)
Crown Apple Tree 1 June 2019

The tree is about 20 feet tall and the branches tend to be pendulous (if that's a correct term) - somewhat like a weeping willow tree - in previous years the tree only set a few apples (about a dozen), but this year the fruit set was tremendous - hundreds of tiny apples everywhere on the tree. Overhead, about 60 to 80 feet above the tree, is the canopy of a community of Oregon White Oak trees (Quercus garryana). The Crown Apple Tree is situated at the southern edge of the canopy. The community of Oregon White Oaks is still quite large in this area (Gladstone, Oregon), but sadly many healthy trees are cut down by new property owners, not knowing their age or value - either too young to know, or too unconcerned to bother finding out anything about them. Being an old-timer here, I do the best I can to educate anyone with the time to listen - many (but not all) of the younger people tend to get uneasy if someone like me talks to them about the value of these oaks, but as long as they will listen I will be happy to talk about them and show them documentation (publications, etc.). I have two large Oregon White Oaks here on my property, both are Clackamas County Heritage Trees.
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Jun 1, 2019 3:27 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Nick Rowlett
Gladstone, OR (Zone 7a)
NOTES
These notes and pics were make April 22, 2010 :

The large trees (from L to R):
1) Shore Pine (Pinus contorta) [removed this year (2019) due to beetle infestation]
2) Port Orford Cedar ("double header") [ Chamaecyparis lawsoniana] Estimated age: 60 years. This tree originally had a 3rd branch from the main trunk, but it was blown down in a powerful windstorm several years ago. I had to repair the damage to the main trunk about 10 feet up from the ground where it broke off - it healed perfectly and all is well today. The diameter of the forked trunk that broke off was about 10 inches. The main trunk today is about 18 to 20 inches in diameter, but this tree is still just a baby. [removed about 5 years ago - killed by beetle infestation]
3) Oregon White Oak (Quercus garryana)    
This is one of the 2 large (ancient) oaks on this property.
Both are designated as Clackamas County (OR) Heritage Trees in 2009.
Estimated age: 150 years +
By comparison, they are about as old as (or older than) the state of Oregon.
[this is about how my 2 large oaks look today - little noticeable growth since 2010 - this is the tree in front of the house. The other is behind the house, not visible in this pic.]

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Jun 1, 2019 3:33 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Nick Rowlett
Gladstone, OR (Zone 7a)
Crown Apple Tree 1 June 2019

A closer view showing cluster of tiny apples in the branches of the tree.
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Jun 1, 2019 3:37 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Nick Rowlett
Gladstone, OR (Zone 7a)
Crown Apple Tree 1 June 2019

The newly set apples are taking on a reddish tinge.
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Jun 1, 2019 4:00 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Nick Rowlett
Gladstone, OR (Zone 7a)
1 June 2019

The front of the house showing a grape arbor in the middle; to the left is a large old "miniature rose" bush, to the right is the front yard, planted in a wide variety of plants. To the right is a stand of sunchokes (Helianthus tuberosus), and numerous foxgloves (Digitalis purpurea) - both purple and white forms.

I used to mow this yard, like my other neighbors, but gave it up several years ago and started planting. Among the plants are several native grasses and large clumps of (native?) bunch grass, which had grown under the oak since I moved here in 1968 - they were continuously mowed down in the succeeding years, but somehow managed to survive. Now I let them grow to their natural stature - clumps about 3 feet tall and almost 3 feet wide, with sharp saw tooth edges which will cut the skin if brushed against. I think these must be native bunch grasses associated with the Oregon White Oak, since both are very tough and enduring.

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Jun 1, 2019 4:14 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Nick Rowlett
Gladstone, OR (Zone 7a)
A view beneath the grape arbor with sempervivums, sedum, native foxgloves (visited by several kinds of native bumble bees), heads of green (immature) Pima Club Wheat (in center), and beyond are large flowering heads of New Zealand white clover, California poppies, etc. To the extreme left are wild lettuce and at extreme right is one of many gopher spurge plants -Euphorbia lathyris (which the bees love), now blooming with their inconspicuous green flowers.
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Jun 1, 2019 4:27 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Nick Rowlett
Gladstone, OR (Zone 7a)
Kitty beneath the grape arbor, always something to watch : native birds of many kinds, species of bees too numerous to keep track of, from the tiniest ones to the largest native bumblebee (the familiar "black and yellow" one). I'm trying to learn which kinds they are, but they usually dart around so quickly that it's hard for the eye to follow them. I've planted several types of seed mixes focusing on plants the bees are attracted to, in the past several years. Now I can just sit and watch (with kitty) all of the activity.
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Jun 1, 2019 6:52 PM CST
Name: Carol
Santa Ana, ca
Sunset zone 22, USDA zone 10 A.
Bookworm Charter ATP Member Region: California Hummingbirder Orchids Plant Identifier
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Sounds like a lovely place to live/ especially retire. Interesting info about the different trees. And welcome to NGA and this forum.
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Jun 1, 2019 8:14 PM CST
Name: Sherry
Northern California
Sunset Zone 17
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Region: Pacific Northwest Seed Starter Region: California Plant Identifier
Hey, Nicky Nick...welcome...I learned something just now.....I'm new to the PNW (Crescent City, Ca.....which is yes, considered part of the PNW) but have no apple trees and am not planting any at this time. My last many years had been in SoCal and my apples there were warm season...so, I go looking for the fruit tree or apples forum where there would be people who would want to know about the Crown apple...and I see that we don't have an 'Apples' forum or apparently, nt an 'Fruit Tree' forum either...that's an oversight, I think...maybe that will be noticed now....lots of wonderful stuff grows so well up here with the cooler temps and plentiful rain...though I do miss my avocados....lol...
I could be wrong...
and.....
"maybe I should have kept my mouth shut....."
The Urge for Seeds is Strong in This One.....
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Jun 1, 2019 10:59 PM CST
Name: Mike
Long Beach, Ca.
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Charter ATP Member Roses Hummingbirder Farmer Daylilies
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Very interesting thread. I've never heard of Crown Apple, now I'm intrigued.
Those mature trees are spectacular.
I'm sure your cat just loves living there and roaming about your garden. Smiling
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Jun 3, 2019 12:26 PM CST
Shasta County, California.
Hey NickyNick!

I love your gardening style and landscaping. It kind of takes me back to an old cottage nestled into the countryside in Italy or maybe Germany.

You are an inspiration. I want to do my yard like this! I want to do native plants and invite the wildlife to take refuge. AS a species we humans have degraded nature and their home in our interests. I would love to see more of us give back to nature and wildlife in the way you have! Well done!

NickyNick said:1 June 2019

The front of the house showing a grape arbor in the middle; to the left is a large old "miniature rose" bush, to the right is the front yard, planted in a wide variety of plants. To the right is a stand of sunchokes (Helianthus tuberosus), and numerous foxgloves (Digitalis purpurea) - both purple and white forms.

I used to mow this yard, like my other neighbors, but gave it up several years ago and started planting. Among the plants are several native grasses and large clumps of (native?) bunch grass, which had grown under the oak since I moved here in 1968 - they were continuously mowed down in the succeeding years, but somehow managed to survive. Now I let them grow to their natural stature - clumps about 3 feet tall and almost 3 feet wide, with sharp saw tooth edges which will cut the skin if brushed against. I think these must be native bunch grasses associated with the Oregon White Oak, since both are very tough and enduring.

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Jun 3, 2019 12:29 PM CST
Shasta County, California.
What a great story and background behind this lovely tree! I look foward to hear more from the HOme Orchard Society!
It seems like it most likely would be a seedling.

NickyNick said:NOTES
Wed, May 21, 2014
I went next door yesterday to talk to Sharon Crown (Crown Apple namesake) and her niece, Jean Crown came over for a visit. I had a chance to ask Jean about the apple tree. She was living in the house here when my dad bought the property from her dad (Dr. Crown) in 1967 and the large old apple tree was there since she could remember. She appeared to be about my brother's age - who was there also - about late 50s, and they knew some people in common. I think she must still live in the Gladstone area somewhere.
Jean Crown thought the apple tree was a MacIntosh apple. I told her my research led me to believe that it was a Pippin type apple, but I would keep what she said about it in mind. I also told her that I plan to have someone from the Home Orchard Society based at Clackamas Community College come and take a look at it once it bears apples that remain on the tree until late in the year, like the original tree did. I mentioned to her that the present tree is a root sapling from the old original tree.
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Jun 3, 2019 12:29 PM CST
Shasta County, California.
What a great story and background behind this lovely tree! I look forward to hear more from the Home Orchard Society!
It seems like it most likely would be a seedling.

NickyNick said:NOTES
Wed, May 21, 2014
I went next door yesterday to talk to Sharon Crown (Crown Apple namesake) and her niece, Jean Crown came over for a visit. I had a chance to ask Jean about the apple tree. She was living in the house here when my dad bought the property from her dad (Dr. Crown) in 1967 and the large old apple tree was there since she could remember. She appeared to be about my brother's age - who was there also - about late 50s, and they knew some people in common. I think she must still live in the Gladstone area somewhere.
Jean Crown thought the apple tree was a MacIntosh apple. I told her my research led me to believe that it was a Pippin type apple, but I would keep what she said about it in mind. I also told her that I plan to have someone from the Home Orchard Society based at Clackamas Community College come and take a look at it once it bears apples that remain on the tree until late in the year, like the original tree did. I mentioned to her that the present tree is a root sapling from the old original tree.
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Jun 3, 2019 12:35 PM CST
Shasta County, California.
Incredible tree! look at how lovely and perfect that form is! I love the pendulous branches that hang low like that! That tree is sure special. Its wonderful that you are there to acknowledge and honor this gem in front of you which might otherwise be lost forgotten or over-looked. Thank you for sharing this!

And in regards to the many trees being cut. It is heartbreaking to see that there is a whole generation seemingly unconcerned or lacking knowledge of what is of real value. I think the video is so well done and describes visually in short story what you are speaking of.

The man who planted trees. on youtube...

Reminds me of what you are doing on a smaller scale but as a perfect model for us all.


NickyNick said:Crown Apple Tree 1 June 2019

The tree is about 20 feet tall and the branches tend to be pendulous (if that's a correct term) - somewhat like a weeping willow tree - in previous years the tree only set a few apples (about a dozen), but this year the fruit set was tremendous - hundreds of tiny apples everywhere on the tree. Overhead, about 60 to 80 feet above the tree, is the canopy of a community of Oregon White Oak trees (Quercus garryana). The Crown Apple Tree is situated at the southern edge of the canopy. The community of Oregon White Oaks is still quite large in this area (Gladstone, Oregon), but sadly many healthy trees are cut down by new property owners, not knowing their age or value - either too young to know, or too unconcerned to bother finding out anything about them. Being an old-timer here, I do the best I can to educate anyone with the time to listen - many (but not all) of the younger people tend to get uneasy if someone like me talks to them about the value of these oaks, but as long as they will listen I will be happy to talk about them and show them documentation (publications, etc.). I have two large Oregon White Oaks here on my property, both are Clackamas County Heritage Trees.
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Sep 2, 2019 1:35 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Nick Rowlett
Gladstone, OR (Zone 7a)
Two pics taken today (Labor Day) of the Crown Apple Tree, so heavily laden with apples that it couldn't possibly bear any more fruit than this. The apples are nearing ripeness, which will be early this year. The natural shape of the tree, with its long arching branches, is designed to bear the heavy load, since no branches have broken (which is amazing).

A member of the Crown family (grand daughter of Sharon Crown) thought that the original tree (from which this tree arose from a root sprout) thought that the variety was MacIntosh. Sharon Crown thought that maybe it was a Gravenstein apple. So there is a difference of opinions there.

This is definitely a winter apple, as it usually ripens in October or early November - but this year it will be early. Most of the fruit are still greenish, just beginning to turn color.



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Here's a scan of fruit which have fallen to the ground. The distinctive stripes and color of the two apples on lower left are how they look when fully ripe. The diameter of the largest shown is about 2½ inches.


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Sep 26, 2019 2:23 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Nick Rowlett
Gladstone, OR (Zone 7a)
UPDATE 25 September 2019

The apples are nearing harvest. The branches are gracefully bowed from the heavy crop of fruit, but none of the branches have broken from the heavy burden.

Pictured with an apple in her hand is the neighbor's daughter Chloe [spelling?] pronounced "kloh-ee"


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