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Jun 28, 2014 7:12 PM CST
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Name: Andrew
North-East Florida (Zone 9a)
Valleylynn, it has been almost 2 years since my last post. I am the guy in Jacksonville Florida that you sent the nice selection of Sempervivum to. I wanted to post some pictures and give you an update. The semps will not grow in Jacksonvile, Florida where we have too much heat and humidity. However, we took many of the plants up to Burnsville, NC where my mother-in-law has a wonderful garden in the black mountains. The semps are doing great so I wanted to post some pics to show you how well they were doing. I just saw them in a visit a few weeks ago so I took some of these pictures. They have completely changed colors from this winter. Thanks again for the wonderful plants!!
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Jun 28, 2014 7:16 PM CST
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Name: Andrew
North-East Florida (Zone 9a)
They are all doing well and the larger bed at the bottom is about 4 feet wide. They seem to love the cold winters in the black mountains (zone 6 I believe). The only issue we ran into early this spring was deer eating a few of the plants. It must be do to the lack of food this time of year as they do not seem interested in them anymore.

Thanks

Andrew
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Jun 28, 2014 10:15 PM CST
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Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
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Hi Andrew. I was wondering where you had gone. Good to see your again.
I remember you saying that you were going to take the plants to your mother-in-law. I am so happy to hear that they love the mountains of NC.
Your MIL must have a very green thumb, those semps look wonderful. I also love the way she is growing them among rocks. What lovely photos.
I know I have not met her, but please tell her I said hi. Smiling
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Jun 28, 2014 11:54 PM CST
Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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Hey Andrew - yep seems like you have found the perfect place for these plants! Lovely photos! Not sure if you went with other rosette plants which would do better in your zone Aeonium, Echevaria etc...you can grow plants there that I am so fond of!!! Here there are annuals for me! But I live in a windy location, and the semps seem to love that!! Cheers I tip my hat to you.
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Jul 2, 2014 6:08 PM CST
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Name: Andrew
North-East Florida (Zone 9a)
I am going back up in a few weeks and will take some more pictures of the garden. My MIL does a great job with it. She has been going through cancer treatment and the garden helps her keep positive through it all.

Thanks

Andrew
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Jul 2, 2014 8:10 PM CST
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I would love to see more photos. Please let her know that I will keep her in my prayers.
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Jul 3, 2014 2:16 PM CST
Name: Billy Perez
Panhandle of Florida (Zone 9a)
Have been a plant lover all my life
valleylynn said:Awesome Andrew. They look like they never made a trip across the US. Thumbs up
I look forward to the next photos. Hurray!



Andrew,
I am having the same things happen to me. I live here in the Panhandle of Florida. You asked everything I need to know. I am new to these and I am having a hard time trying to know when they need water and when they don`t. Thanks to everyone, I have learn a lot. I just hope I will work it out. I love them so much.

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The true POWER of LOVE has NO COLOR, NO SEX, OR NO NATIONALITY, LOVE comes from within our HEARTS, and we all have the same hearts. So lets let our hearts, share that love to all..Billy
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Jul 3, 2014 5:38 PM CST
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Wow Billy, that is a lot of semps you have in those photos. Please keep us up to date one how they grow for you, and how you do it. Thumbs up

By the way, here is a great big Welcome! to ATP. So glad you found your way here. You will love it. Smiling
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Jul 3, 2014 11:15 PM CST
Name: Billy Perez
Panhandle of Florida (Zone 9a)
Have been a plant lover all my life
I was buying some hens from a nursery, that was full of chicks. Not knowing what I really am doing, I started to get the chicks, and put them in the trays. I tell you I can not believe how many I ended up with. They I have been buying some from Ebay, and still not knowing what I am doing, I was getting these very little chicks, and those I really have had a hard time with.
I am thinking that maybe, I really need to keep them out of the sun, till they get roots. When I just see them and they look dull, and soft looking that is were I am not sure to water or not to water..
I tell you, for having plants for many years, these have really got me. But, I will not give up, with all your help I will get it. I just have fell in love with them. Every time I see them I want them all.
Thank you all
Billy Perez
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The true POWER of LOVE has NO COLOR, NO SEX, OR NO NATIONALITY, LOVE comes from within our HEARTS, and we all have the same hearts. So lets let our hearts, share that love to all..Billy
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Jul 4, 2014 5:51 AM CST
Name: Chris
Ripon, Wisconsin
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You sound just like the rest of us - every time you see them you want them all. Hilarious! Hilarious! Welcome to being a sempaholic!!!!
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Jul 4, 2014 7:56 AM CST
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Another sempaholic. Hurray! Hurray!
Our numbers are growing. Green Grin!

Billy, it would be good for you to learn what works in making your semps happy before buying more. Once you have found the perfect way to grow them in your growing conditions, then get more. That way you won't be so stressed over getting them going. Smiling
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Jul 5, 2014 2:59 PM CST
Name: Bev
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
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I agree with the sensible advice from Lynn!!! nodding
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Jul 7, 2014 11:55 PM CST
Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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Welcome to ATP @billyperez600 Glad you found this website as there are many of us on here who love these plants!!! Hurray! Having them in shade in your part of the country is probably a good idea! (somewhere with a bit of morning sunshine is also probably a good idea!) As you may know, these plants are not "great" in your zone, but it sounds like you are making it work!! I totally know what you mean about when to water and when not too!! I tend to over do the water with succulents because I see them looking "sad" or droopy, and right away I think - Oh it needs water!! Thumbs down Not necessarily! Although, during their growing spurts, I do notice that they are okay with more water!
Best to you on your growing!! I tip my hat to you.
Cheers
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Jul 8, 2014 9:48 PM CST
Name: Billy Perez
Panhandle of Florida (Zone 9a)
Have been a plant lover all my life
valleylynn said:Wow Billy, that is a lot of semps you have in those photos. Please keep us up to date one how they grow for you, and how you do it. Thumbs up

By the way, here is a great big Welcome! to ATP. So glad you found your way here. You will love it. Smiling


Thank you so much. They are all ready doing better with all the help I have got from you all. I was not given then a spray of water twice a day, and now that I am I really see them happy and growing.
Thank you all for your help.
Billy
The true POWER of LOVE has NO COLOR, NO SEX, OR NO NATIONALITY, LOVE comes from within our HEARTS, and we all have the same hearts. So lets let our hearts, share that love to all..Billy
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Jul 8, 2014 9:53 PM CST
Name: Billy Perez
Panhandle of Florida (Zone 9a)
Have been a plant lover all my life
gg5 said:Welcome to ATP @billyperez600 Glad you found this website as there are many of us on here who love these plants!!! Hurray! Having them in shade in your part of the country is probably a good idea! (somewhere with a bit of morning sunshine is also probably a good idea!) As you may know, these plants are not "great" in your zone, but it sounds like you are making it work!! I totally know what you mean about when to water and when not too!! I tend to over do the water with succulents because I see them looking "sad" or droopy, and right away I think - Oh it needs water!! Thumbs down Not necessarily! Although, during their growing spurts, I do notice that they are okay with more water!
Best to you on your growing!! I tip my hat to you.
Cheers


Thank you so much. I will make it work. You all have all ready help me so much. I see them now happy and growing. I spray them now twice a day, and that is working great. So what I was doing is not given them the water they were asking for..
Thank you again for all you do help us with. I am so happy to be part of this great group. Thank You
The true POWER of LOVE has NO COLOR, NO SEX, OR NO NATIONALITY, LOVE comes from within our HEARTS, and we all have the same hearts. So lets let our hearts, share that love to all..Billy
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May 19, 2017 11:20 PM CST
(Zone 13b)
twitcher said:You might want to try a really fast draining mixture for the semps. Morning sun, or sun that comes from a strong angle (not vertical) is likely the best. Also I've heard of people growing them outside, but under a rain shield. Think a carport with a roof, or an awning attached to the side of a building (but do not use those paper umbrellas that people put in drinks!).

I've grown some semps for two years now in just a pure mixture of chicken grit. Small gravel, mixed with course sand, would be what I would try there. Over time, the mixture will gradually pick up bits of dirt, leaves, etc that will provide some nutrients. I'm assuming that you are growing them in pots. If the pot is sitting on the ground, make sure water does not pool around it. I've also had a few plants sit in or under water for a few days without serious problems. They were, however, healthy plants when the problem occurred and they had a chance to dry out after.

Once the plants have established in their pot, they should do much better for you. Since your conditions are somewhat extreme, try to limit moving the plants, transplanting and propagation to the cooler times. During the heat and rainy seasons, just leave them alone, out of the rain if you can. Any injury when under that kind of stress could lead to problems. I'd find a way to get a rain shield going. Have you looked into hoop houses with plastic or a rain shedding shade cloth? Might be the easiest way to go.

Those of us in the colder climates also go through periods when the plants don't look too well, with dried up leaves or poor color, etc. Sometimes we are lucky and have snow cover, so we don't get to see and fret over them at that time.

So far that is what I have been doing and so far so good.

Hi every one! My first post after reading your informative comments.
I just joined this morning.
I am in Zambia Africa. I love semps a lot. I have had one for around 5 years and made lots of babies from it., so decided to order a tray of 50 plugs from Mountcrest gardens USA.
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They have arrived 2 weeks ago, in a brown paper bag all squashed in, but after reading a lot, I realized that not all seps are equal in surviving our conditions.
This is a picture of my semps after I washed from the soil they were covered in and planted them in just building sand without any organic matter in it, but very small particle sand.
A picture of the ones from USA when they just arrived
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They are under a tree getting morning sun and late afternoon sun. Our winter is just starting but we dont go bellow 6C and that is at night only. In summer we are not too hot compared to Texas. We are 1400m above sea level.
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When they came they were terribly etiolated, and all the leaves hunging down vertically. Now I can see new leaves and they are growing upwards. I also removed some chicks from them and planted them.
I check them every day, and so far I dont see any big problems. I watered them ones when they came, and then waited for the soil to dry. Perhaps I shall water them again today since you said they need moisture. I was so scared not to rot them.
I also bought some semps from SA less than a month ago, and those I put in full sun and so far they are doing well. They have actually grown and are getting many pups.


I shall try to take a picture of them today also:
This is a picture of the semp, I had for 5 years. It is planted just in river sand (large particles) but it is mixed with lots of clay inside so gets hard like a rock when it dries. I was contemplating repotting it in another mix.
I dont have perlite here, or even peat mix or compost. I import the compost from abroad but perlite never had, so I use just sand, and some pine bark (also imported)

This are some of the pups I planted from my old semp. I must be honest, they were totally neglected up to now. In full sun, and rarely watered by my gardener. In summer under rains almost every day. Some pups that were planted in garden soil even got rotten a bit but I dried them up and replanted them and they are fine now.

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Now I am wondering if this semps from USA will grow and survive here, since they come from totally different climate and reversed summer plus that.
Any tips for me?
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May 19, 2017 11:37 PM CST
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Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
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Neli, only time will tell which ones will do well for your growing conditions. Meanwhile it looks like you are doing a very good job of figuring out what will work in your area. The new plants are looking great. All ready I see them responding the your excellent care.
Just keep on doing what is working for you. And please keep us updated on how they are doing. It will be valuable information to those growing in similar conditions.

Most of us do not live in alpine areas, that is where sempervivum come from originally. Each of us has to figure out what works for our individual unique growing conditions. That said, I still find an occasional semp that won't take as much sun as some of the others in my collection. Same for our rainy season, some fly through with no damage, others struggle and rot.
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May 20, 2017 12:03 AM CST
(Zone 13b)
valleylynn said:Neli, only time will tell which ones will do well for your growing conditions. Meanwhile it looks like you are doing a very good job of figuring out what will work in your area. The new plants are looking great. All ready I see them responding the your excellent care.
Just keep on doing what is working for you. And please keep us updated on how they are doing. It will be valuable information to those growing in similar conditions.

Most of us do not live in alpine areas, that is where sempervivum come from originally. Each of us has to figure out what works for our individual unique growing conditions. That said, I still find an occasional semp that won't take as much sun as some of the others in my collection. Same for our rainy season, some fly through with no damage, others struggle and rot.

Thank you!
I am actually very experienced grower of plants, even teach around the world, but not semps and succulents. That is new to me. So I am just trying to research what they like, read about people's experience and try to figure it out.
I plan to build a cleat plastic shade like shelter for the rain season so I am able to control the moisture.
So far I have grown the only one I had in full sun. I might try and gradually move theis new ones to more sun, but after a month in a paper bag I thought best will be some shade so they dont burn.
Or maybe I shall see if they etiolate first, and perhaps experiment with their pups, in different conditions, that is if they survive he he he.
Maybe I should start a new thread: Sempervivums in Africa???
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May 20, 2017 12:14 AM CST
Name: Jo Ann
Washington State (Zone 7a)
Sempervivums
I am remembering something i heard about growing peonies in southern California.. ( Rather an absurd idea when you realize that the National Collection is in Minnesota.) But I heard that there were a few "addicts" who actually got Peonies to stay dormant long enough to flower by putting ice cubes on them every night for a period of time in the winter. I wonder if it would work to cool the semps down in really hot climates when it is super hot ??? If you were growing in chick grit or fine gravel the melted ice would not cause too much wet around the roots. Black plastic pots also make the root ball area very much hotter than clay or better yet hypertuffa pots.
Just some thoughts from someone who has only been to Florida once (in the winter) Take it with a grain of salt. Whistling
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May 20, 2017 12:48 AM CST
(Zone 13b)
ricos said:I am remembering something i heard about growing peonies in southern California.. ( Rather an absurd idea when you realize that the National Collection is in Minnesota.) But I heard that there were a few "addicts" who actually got Peonies to stay dormant long enough to flower by putting ice cubes on them every night for a period of time in the winter. I wonder if it would work to cool the semps down in really hot climates when it is super hot ??? If you were growing in chick grit or fine gravel the melted ice would not cause too much wet around the roots. Black plastic pots also make the root ball area very much hotter than clay or better yet hypertuffa pots.
Just some thoughts from someone who has only been to Florida once (in the winter) Take it with a grain of salt. Whistling

He he he! You remind me of the days when I brought bonsai from Japan that needed cold resting period, and I kept them in a deep freezer for 3 month, to simulate cold resting period.
I am not going to fuss to much with them. No ice cubes for sure. I am giving them the best possible care I can without too much hustle. The ones that dont make it will not be replaced. I need hustle free plants and not worries every day. he he he. I have outgrown that stage in my life.
Plants are meant to be enjoyed and not give one headaches.
that is my latest policy, and I plan to stick to it. nodding
But that said. Thank you for the advise. Hurray! And That does not mean that I dont try to give them the best reasonably possible conditions.
BTW. I make most of my pots from cement he he he. So that must be OK. I shall take a picture for you today from my 1 month old semps from SA.
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