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Apr 12, 2010 6:55 PM CST
Gates, NC
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Hi All,
I used to hang out on the rose forum at DG a lot. Then got busy with a lot of personal stressful stuff. When I got back to DG I found that Dave was gone so I've been searching for him. Found him and all of you who's names are so familiar to me. Can I come in and hang out? I'm still on DG but this place looks like fun!
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Apr 12, 2010 7:19 PM CST
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Sebastopol, CA (Zone 9a)
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By all means, please do come and hang out! Is your name Kay? or am I just assuming? Big Grin
Have fun exploring this wonderful new site Dave & Trish started and especially check out our Rose Cubit. We just launched our rose database and we are so excited to be able to build it with details and pictures to enhance our Cubit. Have fun!
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Apr 12, 2010 9:11 PM CST
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Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
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Welcome, Rosykay -- We actually are a lot more fun than DG. No silly rules that get bent for some and not for others. I hope you enjoy yourself here.
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Apr 13, 2010 7:54 PM CST
Gates, NC
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My name is actually Rhoda Kay but I don't like Rhoda. I read somewhere in a baby name book that it means rose in some old language.
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Apr 19, 2010 9:11 AM CST
Name: aka GardenQuilts
Pocono Mountains, PA
Rann, sorry to read about your troubles. I am recovering from an auto accident, so I understand how difficult disability can be. It would be even more challenging with young children and an impending divorce. I hope that you are surviving the recent volcano. It seems like the people of Iceland have had more than their share of problems lately. I was in your country briefly when taking Iceland Air to Europe. It is a beautiful country, which I would love to be able to visit someday. I especially liked the selection of wools, as I am knitter.
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Apr 19, 2010 9:26 AM CST
Name: Rannveig
Hafnarfjörður, Iceland
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Thank you Andi ..... yes, you'd think we'd had enough already ..... Sure hope you'll get a chance to come back someday. The area here around Reykjavík is totally unaffected so far since we've been upwind from the ash cloud so far. However the people that are in it's path aren't as lucky. It's black as night in there and the ash layer is measured in inches ..... really horrible.

If you're interested in following the eruption here's my thread on the subject: http://cubits.org/icelandgarde...

Rann
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Apr 19, 2010 7:22 PM CST
Name: Steve
Prescott, AZ (Zone 7b)
Irises Lilies Roses Region: Southwest Gardening
Hi everyone, I'm Steve. I have lived in lots of places including PA, OH, MI, TX, & NJ and I have tried to grow plants in all but one of them. My parents gardened because that's what one did and derived no noticeable pleasure from it. So I was over thirty when I stuck my first plant in the ground. It died. Most of my plants did back then. But somewhere along the way something didn't and that proved to be enough to get me hooked. Early successes were wildflowers (scarlet flax) and a couple of roses from Antique Rose Emporium ( Fortune's Double Yellow and Climbing Old Blush).

I grew roses in NJ for thirteen years and at the end of that stretch had 50 or 70 roses in the garden, and had killed more than twice as many. My technique was quite Darwinian. Plant the roses, water them in, don't let them get too dried out, move them if they obviously don't like the spot. And otherwise leave them alone except for annual fertilization and pruning every three years. The roses that survived this treatment I learned to respect as worthy garden roses. The ones that failed, I'm afraid, I learned to dislike in proportion to how quickly and completely they failed. Belami, for instance, is pretty close to the top of this list.

When my wife retired, we moved to AZ because I, like roses, do not fair well where the humidity exceeds about 40%. We chose Prescott because the weather here is less severely cold than it is in Flagstaff and less severely hot than it is in Phoenix. And because there's enough rain most years to keep well established roses alive. Also, we just like it here in the mountains. Most of our 2 acre site is boulders the size of a garage, and the rose garden is but a tiny strip of land about 80 ft wide and 150 ft long by a seasonal creek that runs about three months per year. By the end of this season it will be so crammed full of young roses, that - if most live- I probably won't have good reason to buy a new rose for a decade. So I'll have to depend on excuses.
When you dance with nature, try not to step on her toes.
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Apr 19, 2010 10:29 PM CST
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Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
Region: Ukraine Charter ATP Member Region: California Cat Lover Roses Clematis
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We're so happy to have you and your knowledge and experience here with us, Steve. I suspect the 80'x150' strip will not sound so "tiny" to some of the people in this cubit. Prescott is a wonderful place to live. My sister's in-laws lived there and loved it. After visiting them, my sister almost talked me into moving there. She brought back stacks of real estate magazines featuring incredible properties. It was a seriously tempting option.
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Apr 20, 2010 11:57 AM CST
Name: Steve
Prescott, AZ (Zone 7b)
Irises Lilies Roses Region: Southwest Gardening
Thank you zuzu. It's really great to be able to share and learn from such a distinguished group of rose lovers!

It's funny, for most of my life I have wanted to live in CA just north of SF. But it never worked out. It's got to be one of the best places on earth to garden, especially if you have supplemental water in the summer.

I have been told that roses grow very well here, too, though there are a lot of zone 8 &9 roses and other plants that I have to cultivate in pots or leave alone. I have been told that irrigating them can be expensive. A passerby (lots of retired people out walking during the day) told me of a friend of his who had hundreds of roses and spent $600/mo. on water during the summer! When that happens to me, I might move more rocks into the garden, and cultivate succulents and grasses that go dormant during drought.
When you dance with nature, try not to step on her toes.
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Apr 20, 2010 12:20 PM CST
Name: Toni
Denver Metro (Zone 5a)
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Yay! Steve's here! Smiling Told you you'd make it here one of these days. Big Grin And Darwinian is the ONLY way to grow roses! I'm going to put the last rose in 1 spot in my yard. It's killed 3 roses already and, if this rose croaks, then I won't be putting any more roses in that spot.. I'll have to figure out some other kind of plant to put there. Or maybe a Canadian rose? I've only been putting HT's there...

:D
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Apr 20, 2010 2:42 PM CST
Name: Steve
Prescott, AZ (Zone 7b)
Irises Lilies Roses Region: Southwest Gardening
Skiekitty, Thanks for the warm welcome!

I'm a confessed rose addict. HT's keep being an ever smaller portion of my rose budget because I cannot succeed with them. If it's not blackspot, it's frost. Or drought. Or maybe just general weakness. Or orneriness (though in this case it's not clear if we're talking me or the rose.) But I've officially given up on HT's because I cannot help but think of them as being stinkers in the garden. I'm not fond of how they look out of bloom. And they are perpetually in the process of dying on me.

I think I've had better results with just about every class of roses except, perhaps, tea roses and noisettes. But in those cases I knew I was pushing the envelope on cold hardiness; so it was my bad that they failed. Not sure what I'd grow if I lived in Colorado. I'd probably try some Kordes roses, some Hybrid Musks, and some roses bred by Geschwindt (because he was dealing with some of the same weather problems as we have here at high elevations.)

For something easy to grow, try a purple smoke bush (cotinus coggygria "Purple Prince) It's smouldering dark purple foliage will make your dark red and orange roses positively glow. And it is about as easy to grow as your most troublesome weed. Sometimes one can improve a rose garden by planting something else!
When you dance with nature, try not to step on her toes.
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Apr 20, 2010 4:25 PM CST
Name: Toni
Denver Metro (Zone 5a)
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.
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I had a Purple Smoke bush. Didn't like it. Couldn't kill it (dog actually broke it down to the dirt one winter & it was 4' tall the next summer), but didn't like how leggy it was. Thinking of putting a holly there.. gets way too much shade for almost anything else. And HTs are fine! Smiling I have lots & lots of HTs that made it through the winter here just hunkydory.
Roses are one of my passions! Just opened, my Etsy shop (to fund my rose hobby)! http://www.etsy.com/shop/Tweet...
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Apr 23, 2010 4:39 PM CST
Name: Steve
Prescott, AZ (Zone 7b)
Irises Lilies Roses Region: Southwest Gardening
Sorry to hear your smoke bush didn't work out. We actually had a passerby - a total stranger who did not even live in our neighborhood - stop and ask to look at the garden because she was so wowed by the smoke bush . Of course, that was about eight years after planting it and it was about 12 ft high, 10 ft wide, and completely covered in "smoke."

As for your HT's: did you bury the bud unions? Did you take any other special measures? And did you have very much yo-yo weather?
When you dance with nature, try not to step on her toes.
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Apr 26, 2010 11:01 AM CST
Name: Toni
Denver Metro (Zone 5a)
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.
Birds Garden Ideas: Master Level Salvias Garden Procrastinator Irises I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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We didn't have a yoyo winter, it just got cold and stay cold. And cold it was. Our average daytime temp this winter was about 20 degrees, so it was way too cold to try & winter water. I bury my unions about 2-3" below the surface and then pile about 4-12" of mulch on top. That's why I didn't lose as many as I was predicting. I did a final walkthrough-pull out of roses I felt were dead (no leaves) and I lost, honestly less than 10 roses. That's out of over 60 I put in the last year, so I don't think that's too bad. I know of some people who lost their entire yards due to the cold. And, with this ridiculous spring we've had (it snowed 3" on Friday night, and got another inch last night.. they're predicting another snowstorm this upcoming weekend, too), it's been tough on the roses. EVERYTHING'S late.. I'm still seeing crocuses blooming, a lot of tulips are just starting to flower, my forsythia still hasn't blossomed, only my purple plum tree has any leaves, the crabapples haven't blossomed.. bleh. The ornamental pears are blossoming, but they should have been showing in March with high bloomtime around Easter. Even my lilacs are barely thinking about putting out leaves, let alone blooms! Bleh! But I'm overrun with worms, so that's always a good thing. :D
Roses are one of my passions! Just opened, my Etsy shop (to fund my rose hobby)! http://www.etsy.com/shop/Tweet...
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Apr 26, 2010 11:50 AM CST
Name: Steve
Prescott, AZ (Zone 7b)
Irises Lilies Roses Region: Southwest Gardening
Winter here was the same (relatively speaking): coolish and wet. Less fluctuation to the temperature than normal. There were no days in which it went from 75F to 25F and back inside 24 hrs. No 90F days in February. Last year there were probably 50 or 60 times when it crossed from hard freeze to balmy and back. I'd say this winter was less fun for people than the previous one, but my roses loved it. Lost 3 Nypels due to weather. And that was it, out of more than 60 cultivars. The previous winter's dry soil and yo-yo weather slaughtered all 16 roses.

Here, too, the worms are much happier this spring than last spring. We can be grateful for small blessings.
When you dance with nature, try not to step on her toes.
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Sep 3, 2010 2:46 PM CST
Name: Min
Monticello
I don't feel new and my pocketbook tells me I'm well known in the coop
threads but here's the new bit of me. I am now designing my rosarium and like Joannabanana,
I get so cold, it feels like fire if you know what I mean.

I am investigating ideas on how to grow all the wonderful roses I love, even with my bitter
wind and snow. It's actually the February thaw that does my plants in. 60's one day, 23 the next - yuck!

So anyhow, I am thinking of doing this and would love any comments back please on the feasability.
Joannabanana, do you put your containers in the greenhouse for the winter? I'm lazy, I want to build
the greenhouse where the roses are versus moving them to the greenhouse :).

Comments, suggestion and concerns welcomed!
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I do have one quick question, what size containers do you use for
your mature plants?

TIA!

Mindy
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Sep 3, 2010 3:08 PM CST
Name: melva wheeler
texas
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I use 15 gallon pots for roses that I plan to keep there...
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Sep 4, 2010 6:27 AM CST
Name: Min
Monticello
Thank you Melva, that information really helps! I am going to do a trial bed and record the min/max temps all winter. I am hoping with the compost breaking down, I can maintain it to ZONE 6 -10 to 0 Degrees. My roses, even protected never get past 4 feet off the ground and many die back to more like 2 feet every year!
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Sep 27, 2010 8:30 AM CST
Name: Steve
Prescott, AZ (Zone 7b)
Irises Lilies Roses Region: Southwest Gardening
S2LZ4, I've met a few rose lovers from Z4 and I'm always amazed at the ingenuity they have in dealing with cold winters. One couple grows only minis. On halloween they move all the minis into their dark basement. Then (not sure when) in spring they set them out again. In Ottowa, I understand that it is not uncommon to dig a long trench for a climbing rose, and to bury the canes for the winter in six or ten inches of soil.

I love the idea of an insulated box with its own heat source, namely compost. I think if I were doing your project, I would make a heavy wooden box lined with an inch or two of styrofoam insulation, preferably with aluminum foil facing inside. I would put wood shavings/sawdust in a pile around the plant, then place the horsey doo further away, but inside the box. Then, hopefully, in spring the material in the box has decomposed into compost that sits on top of the soil and enriches the soil. This has the advantage of not requiring that you know how deep the roots go.

I would be tempted to paint the box a dark color, so that it heats up during the day; but if it gets too warm in there, the rose will break dormancy, try to grow, and freeze. So whatever color you do or do not paint the box, you might consider monitoring the temperature at three pm or so and make sure it's not too high. Not sure how high is too high, but you probably don't want it to get above 55F.
When you dance with nature, try not to step on her toes.
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Apr 21, 2011 12:20 PM CST
Name: darren marting
LAS VEGAS VALLEY (Zone 9a)
heat tolerant (!) and tropicals...l
Charter ATP Member
Howdy, I am Darren, or fernman23; I am coming here for advice or tips to 'top off' what i know, not much~ about moving established roses. I live in las vegas, NV. The plants are going GREAT, and are 20-30 yrs. old.
I am being forced to mmove by land transactions.... I normally have been in the morning gl;ory cubits, but i love All vines (honeysuckles and passiflora) and ferns, obviously...I have had luck with a lot of bulbs too....Anything that I can grow in the desert! lol~ So can anybody help with a pointer to doing this new job??I am expecially worried about the Roots getting too damaged!!~
thanks so much and Happy Spring to all~!
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