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Name: Dave Whitinger
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Jul 6, 2012 2:26 PM CST

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I wrote a script to find any species in the database that look incorrect or invalid, and I found 53 of them. Not all of them below are invalid so they'd need to be inspected one by one and only the truly wrong ones will need fixing. Here is the list:

(SEE BELOW FOR THE LATEST VERSION)

Allium caeruleum var.bulbillifermum
australis subsp. australis
Brassica b. juncea
Brassica b. juncea
Brassica b. rapa (syn b. pekinensis)
Campanula sp.
Convallaria majalis var.picta
Convallaria majalis var.picta
Convallaria majalis var.picta
Crocus angustifolius à c. reticulatus
Cyanea st.-johnii
Emilia sonchifolia var.rosea
Eriogonum v. humistratum
Fritillaria imperialis var.rubra maximax
Geranium aff. platyanthum
Geranium aff. polyanthes
Geranium koreanum ambig.
Gladiolus pillansii var.roseus
Gomphrena sp.
Hedyotis st.-johnii
Heracleum subsp. sphondylium montanum
Hyacinthoides h. x massartiana
Hylotelephium subsp. fabaria
J. M. Moerker
Jovibarba ssp. hirtum
Juncus drummondii var.drummondii
Kohleria K. villosa x K. amabilis
Lavandula pedunculata ssp.sampaina
Malby's Hybrid No. 1
Meconopsis baileyi.
Mentha x piperita nothosubsp. pyramidalis
Mr W.P. Milner
Nepeta x gigantea hort.
Nomocharis n. x notabilis
orientale subsp. sintensii
Plumeria sp.
Potentilla pulcherrima x P. hippiana
Punica p. granatum nanum
Rhus glabra var.cismontana
Salvia mexicana var.major
Sansevieria s. trifasciata
Schefflera morototoni var.sessiliflora
Sempervivum armenum cf. ph8058 ex Ilgaz Dagi
Sempervivum calcareum ph1053 ex Col De La ST. Michel type B
Sempervivum cupreum Hort ex H. Correvon
Sempervivum p tectorum var.
Sempervivum S. x barbulatum f/Valle Quarozzo
Sempervivum x Barbulatum (S. arachnoideum à S. Montanum )
Spiraea japonica 'Walbuma' P.P.# 9363
Stenanthium gramineum var.gramineum
Thalictrum aquilegiifoilum var.sibiricum


I also programmed the system to give an acorn for any plant name edits, starting now. So if anyone wants to fix these, please do (but post here that you're doing it so nobody else does it at the same time)
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Name: Rick Corey
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RickCorey
Jul 6, 2012 2:48 PM CST
I checked one salvia, Salvia mexicana var.major. It seems to be a valid species and variety.

Most sources I found do NOT capitalize "mexicana" as a species name, though this journal was inconsistent about that. The journal agreed that the variety name "major" is not caitalized.

I found it cited in a technical journal called "Molecules", and it gave two references I did not check.


[url=www.mdpi.com/1420-3049/16/10/8866/pdf]www.mdpi.com/1420-3049/16/10/8866/pdf[/url]

Communication
Title: "A New Languidulane Diterpenoid from Salvia mexicana var. mexicana"

Last paragraph of Section 1:

"Salvia Mexicana (Subgenus Calosphace),
comprises the varieties major, minor and mexicana [1,2];

which are endemic to the central states of Mexico."


Authors:
Bernardo Antonio Frontana-Uribe, Martha Verónica Escárcega-Bobadilla, Rosa Estrada-Reyes,
José Antonio Morales-Serna, Manuel Salmón and Jorge Cárdenas

Journal: "Molecules" 2011, 16, 8866-8873; doi:10.3390/molecules16108866
ISSN 1420-3049
www.mdpi.com/journal/molecules

References and Notes
1. Rodríguez-Hahn, L.; Cárdenas, J. Comparative chemotaxonomy in labiatae. Curr. Top.
Phytochem. 1999, 2, 91-102.
2. Epling, C. A Revision of Salvia Subgenus Salosphace. In Repertorium Specierum Novarum Regni
Vegetabilis; Verlag des Repertoriums: Berlin, Germany, 1939.

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Jul 6, 2012 2:50 PM CST

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I decided to start from the bottom and found that Thalictrum aquilegiifolium var. sibiricum is accepted, according to The Plant List, so is it showing up just because there's no space between "var."and "sibiricum"? If so, that would be the problem with many of these names.
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KentPfeiffer
Jul 6, 2012 2:54 PM CST

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Hedyotis st.-johnii is a synonym of Kadua st.-johnii according to ITIS.
Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Jul 6, 2012 2:55 PM CST

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You're exactly right, zuzu, it's showing up because there should be a space after the period. That's the case with most of these.
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Jul 6, 2012 3:06 PM CST

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"orientale subsp. sintensii" is probably on the list because the genus name is missing (Arum), but also because sintenisii is misspelled as "sintensii" in two places on that page. I'll fix that.
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Jul 6, 2012 3:08 PM CST

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Jul 6, 2012 3:08 PM CST

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And there was already an Arum sintenisii in the database, so I deleted the one without the synonym added.
Name: Rick Corey
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RickCorey
Jul 6, 2012 3:11 PM CST
I hit the most obvious "no space after var." entries.

No need to give acorns for no-brainer grunt work!
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Jul 6, 2012 3:16 PM CST

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Same story with australis subsp. australis. It's a Hoya, but the genus was never entered. However, this subspecies and four other subspecies of Hoya australis in the database (keysia, oramicola, rupicola, sanae) aren't listed on The Plant List even as synonyms or "unresolved." Should I look for these on some other taxonomic list or should I delete them all?
Name: Dave Whitinger
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Jul 6, 2012 3:18 PM CST

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If they aren't even listed in the Plant List I'd say delete 'em. If someone can show them as extant than they can be re-added later.
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Jul 6, 2012 3:30 PM CST

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Rick, the problem with simply adding a space is that these probably had more that was wrong with them. I approved two of your proposals and then noticed a misspelling in the third, so I went back to the first one and found that it was also a misspelled duplicate of something that was already in the database. Now someone else has approved the rest, so I can't check them over for other errors.
Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Jul 6, 2012 3:36 PM CST

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Zuzu, you can see all Rick's proposals here:

http://garden.org/plants/browse/user/props/RickCorey/
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Jul 6, 2012 3:37 PM CST

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Thanks, Dave. I'll check them over.
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Jul 6, 2012 3:38 PM CST

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I have re-run the report and here are the ones that are left:

Malby's Hybrid No. 1
Emilia sonchifolia var.rosea
Sempervivum x Barbulatum (S. arachnoideum à S. Montanum )
Nepeta x gigantea hort.
Spiraea japonica 'Walbuma' P.P.# 9363
Sempervivum cupreum Hort ex H. Correvon
J. M. Moerker
Hylotelephium subsp. fabaria
Mr W.P. Milner
australis subsp. australis
Sansevieria s. trifasciata
Punica p. granatum nanum
Sempervivum S. x barbulatum f/Valle Quarozzo
Kohleria K. villosa x K. amabilis
Eriogonum v. humistratum
Potentilla pulcherrima x P. hippiana
Meconopsis baileyi.
Brassica b. rapa (syn b. pekinensis)
Rhus glabra var.cismontana
Mentha x piperita nothosubsp. pyramidalis
Plumeria sp.
Heracleum subsp. sphondylium montanum
Brassica b. juncea
Jovibarba ssp. hirtum
Sempervivum p tectorum var.
Gomphrena sp.
Cyanea st.-johnii
Nomocharis n. x notabilis
Aconitum autumnale ambig.
Crocus angustifolius à c. reticulatus
Geranium koreanum ambig.
Geranium aff. polyanthes
Geranium aff. platyanthum
Allium caeruleum var.bulbillifermum
Typhonium giganteum nvar. giraldi
Hyacinthoides"]h. x massartiana
Juncus drummondii var.drummondii
Sempervivum calcareum ph1053 ex Col De La ST. Michel type B
Sempervivum armenum cf. ph8058 ex Ilgaz Dagi
Campanula sp.
Hedyotis st.-johnii
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Name: Rick Corey
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RickCorey
Jul 6, 2012 8:36 PM CST
Sorry!

1.
I see what I would call a duplicate, a generic entry for Chinese cabbage with no cultivar name:
Brassica rapa pekinensis and <- - - - - - suggest deleting thhis one
Brassica rapa var. pekinensis

The second one is, I think, a "more better" name, and has several nice common names listed instead of any specific cultivar name (we have are pages of Chinese Cabbage cultivar names).

2.
I also see MANY entries (probably non-duplicates) with the "rapa" left out and also the "var." missing, as if "pekinensis" were a species name.
Maybe that was common some years ago, but I think it is "not correct now", whatever "correct" means, when it keeps changing.

example:
Chinese Cabbage (Brassica pekinensis 'Qing Summer No.1')
should be:
Chinese Cabbage (Brassica rapa var. pekinensis 'Qing Summer No.1')

I would be happy to chnage all those by adding the "rapa var.", but shouldn't get acorns for anything that easy!
But I won't do it unless someone is sure there's no obscure reason to use "pekinensis" as a species name.
I would bet a quarter-ounce of seed that any "B. rapa" will cross-polinate any other "B. rapa"

Who knew that any annual vegetables were rappers!



3. just curious -
I see that we use
Brassica rapa var. pekinensis
instead of
Brassica rapa Pekinensis Group.

I've seen it done both ways in different places: is one newer, or more geeky, or preferable? Why?

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Jul 6, 2012 9:40 PM CST

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The Brassica section of the database is pretty messy, Rick. Brassica pekinensis, Brassica rapa var. pekinensis, and Brassica rapa subsp. pekinensis are all synonyms of Brassica rapa, and there's no such thing as Brassica rapa pekinensis. The whole section's full of invalid names and synonyms masquerading as accepted names. I started to work on it and then decided to make dinner instead.

Here's a list of the synonyms of Brassica rapa. It's staggering and it made me hungry. Hilarious!

http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-2682652
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Jul 6, 2012 10:18 PM CST

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I think I fixed everything on the latest list, except for some quirky Sempervivum entries that ValleyLynn or Goldfinch should look at.
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Jul 7, 2012 1:12 AM CST

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I tackled the Brassica species after dinner, deleted all of the invalid names, checked to make sure all of the validly entered names were accepted, recategorized some as synonyms of accepted names, deleted the entries that were synonyms after moving pictures, comments, and other data, and then went cross-eyed and had to stop. I didn't go through the named cultivars, but I'm sure that some of the species entered for those names are also synonyms.
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dave
Jul 7, 2012 6:57 AM CST

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Nicely done. Thumbs up Hurray!

Here's the report one final time. It's almost entirely sempervivum.

Sempervivum x Barbulatum (S. arachnoideum à S. Montanum )
Sempervivum cupreum Hort ex H. Correvon
J. M. Moerker
Sempervivum S. x barbulatum f/Valle Quarozzo
Sempervivum p tectorum var.
Sempervivum calcareum ph1053 ex Col De La ST. Michel type B
Sempervivum armenum cf. ph8058 ex Ilgaz Dagi
Cyanea st.-johnii
Crocus angustifolius à c. reticulatus

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