Daylilies forum: How Do You Read Parentage?

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Name: Tina
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chalyse
Jul 20, 2012 7:09 AM CST
Blinking ... uh oh, the questions are starting to pile up in my cranium again ... newbie madness!

If I see parentage listed as:

((Able x Baker) x sdlg) x (sdlg x Charlie)

Does it mean:

Pod parent is: an unregistered/unnoted seedling resulting from a cross of 1) an unregistered seedling of Able x Baker (thus no single name), with 2) another unregistered seedling from unknown parentage. "(Able x Baker" x sdlg)."

Pollen parent is: an unregistered/unnoted seedling that came from a cross of Charlie with another seedling of unknown parentage (sldg x Charlie)? Shrug!

Just wanting to clarify :} i do luvs pedigrees ....

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Name: Arlene
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florange
Jul 20, 2012 8:07 AM CST
The way I read it, Tina, is that Able was crossed with Baker then the resulting plant was crossed with an unregistered (or unknown) seedling. The plant resulting from that cross was then bred to a plant from the cross of an unregistered seedling with Charlie.

I often research daylily parents back to great-great-grandfathers/grandmothers. Every time I find a seedling I grit my teeth because that is an unknown. I'm on the beach down here in Central FL and my plants have to be evergreens. That's why I get frustrated with unknowns. My favorite, of course, is the famous: seedling x seedling.

Oh, well. Hope this helps!!
Name: Tina
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chalyse
Jul 20, 2012 8:26 AM CST
Arlene, you put a great big smile on my face, thanks! (me too: researching way back, working toward evergreens, and 'oh no' when i see many "sdlgs"). Green Grin!

Your reading helps to reduce the amount of confusion i experience .. since we can take "sdlg" as kind of unknowable (in terms of its impact in a pedigree), i think i will now just concentrate it down generally to known parentage in the lines.

I feel sooo much better ... and the intrigue and surprise will come from any deviation in the plant or its future offspring. Coolioes! Hurray!


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Hemlady
Jul 20, 2012 8:49 AM CST
I really am not crazy about the idea of registering plants as seedling x seedling or unknown x unknown and have never done so. But, I have a super plant that I just registered that is an unknown x unknown. The tag faded, I was using industrial strength marker and it still faded. I now use paint pens. All I can say is that hybridizers try and use the very best material when hybridizing. I certainly have an idea what the cross is but because I can't say l00%, unfortunately it had to be an unknown x unknown. This one is quite possibly When Spirits Unite x Ed Brown.

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daylily
Jul 20, 2012 8:56 AM CST
I agree With Arlene on how to read the parentage.

However, one hybridizer used to put the pollen patent first. I think nearly everyone puts the pod parent first.
Name: Tina
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chalyse
Jul 20, 2012 9:15 AM CST
very helpful, all!!! and, by the way, can you get paint pens locally or just online? i hate my own fading-fast 'permanent' markers Grumbling
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Hemlady
Jul 20, 2012 9:19 AM CST
I have gotten them at craft stores like Michael's or an art supply store.

Pod parent should be listed first.
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tink3472
Jul 20, 2012 12:33 PM CST
You can get the paint markers at Walmart in the craft section as well.
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Name: Tina
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chalyse
Jul 20, 2012 2:22 PM CST
Thumbs up thanks!
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florange
Jul 20, 2012 7:11 PM CST
I use my label machine to make seedling labels--all four of them this yr. Those "permanent" Sharpie pens aren't permanent.
Name: Tina
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chalyse
Jul 21, 2012 9:04 AM CST
do you use ones that sort of 'emboss' the tape (punch the letters up) or one that just prints on flat tape? i'm going to save up for one next year (hopefully) but will use the painter's pen until then :}
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tink3472
Jul 21, 2012 12:09 PM CST
The ones that most people I know use is the flat tape. I have the Brothers label makers that I can connect to my computer to make it easier to do a lot of labels at one time or you can use it without the computer. It wasn't too expensive, I think $70, but they have good ones for less as well.
I only use it on my named cultivars because I have way too many seedlings, that may be tossed in one season, to make it for those.
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rebloomnut
Jul 21, 2012 7:32 PM CST
I do the same.. Only on the named Cultivars.
Name: Cynthia (Cindy)
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Hemlady
Jul 23, 2012 7:10 AM CST
I do use my Brother labeler for the named daylilies but use paint pens for seedlings.
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Betja
Jul 23, 2012 9:06 PM CST
I have a portable Brother P-Touch labelmaker that I got from Image Supply, and I really love it because I can just walk around making labels! Then I put them on those Eon markers and they do not fade in sunlight! And I remember that last year I saw they had a reconditioned labelmaker just like mine for something like $29 -- a real bargain!

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