I don't see the Profile button at the top of the page, It is still in tiny letters at the bottom of the page.

It is there, to the left of the mail button.

I was looking at the tab area. Would it look better if it was just below the Mail button?

The tabs and buttons all look good to me now. The banner looks balanced with light areas on both ends, and the tabs look balanced too with longer tabs on each end. And thank you for putting the profile button back on top.

Okay, little red box is gone here. Profile at the top in the banner. My world is right once again.

Dave, it look like there's lots of room just below the banner --- would it be possible to make the navigation tabs hang down from the bottom of the banner? Just trying to think of a happy solution for all.

I had suggested that... I would much prefer that too. I hate the way the buttons interfere with the banner.

Don't worry, like I said in the first post of this thread, I'm working behind the scenes to find a good solution. Simply moving things around has bought us a little time but the concept is old and tired and in the future I'll be replacing it entirely with some new fresh innovative navigation system.

For what it's worth, I actually like how Facebook handles this. They have a thin blue bar at the top that contains all the navigation. When you mouseover the items, pulldown menus appear with links inside. I'm thinking of something like that for us: a thin nav bar at the top, then below that the pretty banner/logo, completely unobstructed by tabs.

Great ideas.

What are your planting in that huge brick wall you are sitting on??

Marilyn, here's the whole scoop on Dave's hugelkultur herb spiral:
The thread "I made a hugelkultur herb spiral today!" in Permaculture forum

dave said:For what it's worth, I actually like how Facebook handles this. They have a thin blue bar at the top that contains all the navigation. When you mouseover the items, pulldown menus appear with links inside. I'm thinking of something like that for us: a thin nav bar at the top, then below that the pretty banner/logo, completely unobstructed by tabs.

This sounds good Dave & I think it's something that most everyone is familiar with so it shouldn't pose problems to ppl to navigate. We're all used to drop down menus.

I don't really know very much about Facebook Dave. Can you give me a screen shot of what you are talking about?

Thanks for referral to his spiral masterpiece. I joined after he posted that...

Looks like a wonderful place to grow almost anything. Makes getting to the herbs a bit easier doesn't it?

Just noticed the change. So far I hate it...it's not convenient way over there!

Well, it is better than at the bottom of the page.

I still find the positioning of the Profile button displeasing. It looks out of place. Can we try it under the Tree Mail button?

I am liking the idea of the drop downs.

Lynn, I am working on an improved look, and I don't want to keep changing things around while I'm doing that, lest I continuously confuse people with the changes. Is it okay if we keep it as it is right now for just a little while?

I give you my permission to leave it for now Dave.
You are such a sweet and diplomatic person.

Keep up the great work 'Oh Great Geni of ATP'

I like the idea of drop-down menus, too! Seems like that would be a much cleaner look and provide more functionality in a smaller space. You have my permission to proceed, Dave.