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Name: Steve
Prescott, AZ (Zone 7b)
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Aug 13, 2012 5:20 PM CST
Blossomtime (ARE) & Cupcake (Edmunds)


Day Breaker(Palatine) and Gemini (S&W)


Double Delight (Palatine) and Janet Carnochan(Palatine)


NOID - (We find out below it's Mardi Gras from Garden Valley) and Rainbow Sorbet


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Name: Arlene Smith
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Aug 13, 2012 6:21 PM CST
Your roses are beautiful. I put in Daybreaker last Fall and love it. Clean foliage and good bloomer.
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The roses are beautiful, Steve, and so is the sky. I'm curious about the NOID from Edmunds': Was it mislabeled or have you lost the label?

My Day Breaker seems to be a magnet for curculio weevils and rose slugs, so I don't see any good blooms or pretty foliage until September.
Name: Steve
Prescott, AZ (Zone 7b)
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Aug 14, 2012 8:32 AM CST
I lost the label. All last year I thought it was Papa Meilland: it didn't bloom at all in its first year. Most of the new roses in that bed behaved the same way. But the Papa Meilland I ordered was from S&W - so I guess it might be from there. In either case, it is from a 2011 catalog. The blossoms are not very big, sometimes reaching 3" across. They are a delightful mix of pink and yellow that frequently produces some popsicle orange. At one point this year the whole narrow top of the plant was covered with roses. Otherwise, in plant habit and flower form, it looks like it must be a HT. Several of my HTs have been doing that - making six or eight or ten fully formed flowers on relatively short (6-8 inch) stems: NOID, Gemini, Grand Dame. Perhaps there's some floribunda in their history that comes out when they are young and growing vigorously.

I have been amazed with Day Breaker's ability to make and hold pretty flowers. At this moment it's difficult to see the foliage for the flowers. I'm sorry to hear that local pests seek it out for food. I feel especially lucky in that regard. Many of the pests in my garden - rabbits and grasshopers for example - seem to prefer the foliage of pigweed to that of roses.
Name: Toni
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Skiekitty
Aug 14, 2012 8:39 AM CST
My Day Breaker hasn't bloomed yet this year, but I'm expecting that it should do so soon. My Summer Song finally bloomed for the first time yesterday.. wow is it pretty! Steve - Did you order Mardi Gras? Looks kinda like a faded Mardi Gras to me. But that's how my MG blooms as it is a floribunda and, boy is it definitely in the Bunda part! LOL!
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Name: Steve
Prescott, AZ (Zone 7b)
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Steve812
Aug 14, 2012 10:06 AM CST
We have a winner! A more careful look at my records for that spring 2011 order shows two Mardi Gras from Garden Valley Ranch (not Edmunds or S&W, sorry for the misinformation.) I recall having planted a Mardi Gras at the other end of the garden and digging it up a year later when its blooms looked indistinguishable from Dr Huey's. I must have planted the second one in this location. I looked at the photos of MG on HMF and I notice that my version has not yet produced any roses resembling any of those beautiful saturated photos of that rose at HMF - more like Chicochi's. Maybe it will behave differently when it has settled in.

This is not the kind of floribunda I am used to buying. One of the things I like about many floribundas is how they branch a lot and grow shrubby. This one is more stick-like in habit than most HTs that I allow to persist in my garden. Maybe some pruning next year will help.
Name: Toni
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Skiekitty
Aug 14, 2012 10:25 AM CST
Steve - My MG gets pruned almost down to the ground every spring due to winterkill. By this time every year, it's about 3-4' and a 'vase' shaped plant (narrow near the base, wider at the top). Never stays short & stubby. Kinda leggy, but still full of leaves everywhere. I'll take pix tonight of the full plant.
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Name: Steve
Prescott, AZ (Zone 7b)
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Steve812
Aug 14, 2012 1:06 PM CST
This one gets a bit of PM shade starting at about two o'clock. Last year the bed had a serious weed problem. I'm hoping that by next year this bed will be well established and weeds won't be an issue at all. I did plant some dahlias in the bed this year. They shot up and are shading some of the shorter roses a bit. The Dahlias are gorgeous, but they will be gone next year. Maybe the roses will have a chance to perform well.

Does anyone know whether daylilies cause serious competition problems for roses? I'm hoping the answer is no, because I have daylilies planted near a lot of roses including a number of roses in this bed. I'm hoping I can get MG to look more like it does in those lovely photos taken in warm places. And I don't want the rose to have any legitimate reasons for failure - in case I decide in a few years to replace it with something shorter. It's upstaging Cary Grant, for gosh sakes.
Name: Toni
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Skiekitty
Aug 14, 2012 1:48 PM CST
I see people here planting daylilies with roses all the time. My daylilies are in their own separate bed, but I'm buying some more on Saturday (Colorado Daylily society is having their annual sale) and am planting them between some of my other roses. What I've also done is plant columbines between roses - that way I get spring flowers before the roses start up. However, don't plant most agastaches next to roses.. they'll eat them! Some of the smaller salvias are OK, but definitely NOT Purple Rain. That one has almost eaten my RubyRuby. Here's a bad picture of what NOT to do:

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This picture actually has at least 9 roses in it. The "white" rose in the lower right is actually Sunny Delite (sun just popped up over the horizon & blinded everything), next to Escapade, then another Sunny Delite. Keeping on going counter-clockwise, the tall roses there is Charles de Mills & Orange Velvet, Rose Marie Viaud is buried there. The yellow in the middle-ish is Henry Fonda, then the red is RubyRuby. Betty Boop continues on to the left. Behind and sprawling all over the place is that Cecile Bruner. Behind Cecile is Theresa Bugnet. However, as you can see, my Agastache cana (big purple thing in the front) has taken over everything.

Another plant to be very cautious about is bluebeard. Here's my "pond area" in June 2011.
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And this is a couple of days ago:
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I don't feed them any special food / fertilizer & you can see, they've taken over EVERYTHING! I moved the artemisia out of that area & put it someplace else, too.
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Name: Cindi
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CindiKS
Aug 14, 2012 2:54 PM CST
Steve,
The answer is No. Daylilies don't cause any problems that I can tell. Don't use the old species-fulva-as it's the only real running type.
I've had them in the rose garden for 3 years now. It was fun to blend colors between the two species--even if the bloom times weren't perfectly synchronized.
Wish I could find some photos for you.
I can't believe you can grow dahlias out there in the heat! Maybe I should try those once again. How often did you water them?
Mardi Gras is tender here, too. The growth pattern is tall like a HT for me, and this year the blooms were a very faded pale pastel from the heat. Not nearly as attractive as it is in cooler years.
Mardi Gras is in a bed with Cinco de Mayo, Easy Does It, Living Easy, Chihuly, Tiddlywinks, Molineaux, Disneyland, Graham thomas, Kimberlina, Pumpkin Patch, Tuscan Sun, Tahitian Sunset, Honey Dijon, Brass Band, Tangerine Streams, Tequila Supreme, Happy Chappy, Music Box, Rainbow Sorbet,Sheila's Perfume and Dick Clark. Arizona was in there too, but I see it has bit the dust. Laura Bush is down to 1 little twig because Graham Thomas smothered her. In between all these are daylilies in shades of coral, yellow and orange. I think it looks good. oh, About Face was in there at one time. I need to replace that one. The color blends and also the variety of sizes of shrubs seems to add interest, but it's not chaotic.
The other side of that bed has shades of pink and I won't type out that whole list, but I discovered that the pink daylilies didn't blend well with the pink and red roses. I ended up planting dianthus on that side. The blue foliage enhanced the pink roses, I think.
Bill Maryott has some great daylilies on sale right now, buy one, get another free. He sends a huge clump, not just 1 or 2 fans. https://daylilygarden.net/cgi-bin/Web_store/web_store.cgi
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Name: Steve
Prescott, AZ (Zone 7b)
Region: Southwest Gardening Roses
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Steve812
Aug 14, 2012 4:48 PM CST
Wow! Bill Maryott has some great daylilies. My problem is that I pretty much only like the ones that are either out of stock or over $50 apiece. And since I usually buy daylilies (much less fancy, mind you) for $1 or $2 per plant from Gilbert Wild when they are on sale, I need a bit of time to adjust to Bill's prices. I'll probably get there... just might take a season or two.

I have dianthus Firewitch and Rose de Mai planted with pink roses, too. It seems that most of my pink roses are a warmer shade of pink than the dianthus, so there is a lack of parallelism there that makes me wish I had chosen some roses in cooler pink. Sexy Rexy, City of Leeds, Hobby, and Kimono are in that area. There are a few purple roses in the mix, too that help pull the mixture together. Falstaff, for example, finally took off this year and grew into a big plant. Parfait and Permanent wave have a punchy raspberry color that works really nicely with dianthus. And there are some iris nearby in blue and/or purplish shades that help pull things together both in and out of bloom.

Meanwhile, the bed that houses Mardi Gras has three Sunsprite(Freesia), two Liebeszauber, two Graham Thomas, a Gingersnap (slated to move two more there) Oranges and Lemons, Cary Grant, and Day Breaker. Ascot is associated with that bed, but it's a bit too blue for it. My guess is that it will be replaced, possibly by Scarlet Knight. Cardinal Hume is also associated with the bed and seems to work well enough. There are some yellow daylilies in the bed that I planted just this summer, and they are doing well. In another conversation, Toni had suggested salvia for this bed, and I'm thinking this one which does very well in my garden in other locations, and looks smashing with yellow flowers.

The good news about Prescott is that the high temperature here through much of summer rarely exceeds 95F. We can go for a week or two at a time in July or August and not even see 90F. Furthermore, I planted these dahlias in a seasonal creek bed. Light rains in July and August would have suited them well. I did not anticipate 6" of rain in July. Sadly, this was more moisture than the dahlias planted in the low part of the garden could take and many died. Still, there are quite a few blooming right now.

In May and June I'm out there with a watering hose about five days per week. If we get good monsoon rains in a week, I water when the ground dries out.

It's funny, Toni, I almost cannot grow agastache here. It almost never over-winters. And it grows very slowly. There's one Korean mint hyssop growing in the shade of a maple that is in its fourth year. It dies to the ground in winter and re-emerges to grow six feet tall each year. I have trouble with caryopteris, too (blue beard, I believe). There is a spot where my Yellow/Red/Orange bed blends into my Pink/Crimson bed that will be punctuated with a caryopteris, if I can get one to survive there. The last one I planted up-and-died last week.
Name: Toni
Denver Metro (Zone 5a)
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Skiekitty
Aug 15, 2012 9:34 AM CST
Steve812 said:Wow! Bill Maryott has some great daylilies. My problem is that I pretty much only like the ones that are either out of stock or over $50 apiece. And since I usually buy daylilies (much less fancy, mind you) for $1 or $2 per plant from Gilbert Wild when they are on sale, I need a bit of time to adjust to Bill's prices. I'll probably get there... just might take a season or two.

It's funny, Toni, I almost cannot grow agastache here. It almost never over-winters. And it grows very slowly. There's one Korean mint hyssop growing in the shade of a maple that is in its fourth year. It dies to the ground in winter and re-emerges to grow six feet tall each year. I have trouble with caryopteris, too (blue beard, I believe). There is a spot where my Yellow/Red/Orange bed blends into my Pink/Crimson bed that will be punctuated with a caryopteris, if I can get one to survive there. The last one I planted up-and-died last week.


I refuse to pay that much for a daylily. I won't pay that much for even a rose (paid too much for that Ruby Voodoo to not see a single bloom this year), let alone a daylily. I know that there's costs due to registration & stuff, but I'm too cheap & poor to pay that kind of $ out for a plant.

And I'm finding that, for me, caryopteris is a weed for me. Seriously. I've got them sprouting up EVERYWHERE! They won't die, they seed everywhere.. my very first one I put in my mini bed 4 years ago. 2 years ago I transplanted it into the back yard. It left me 4 babies in the minibed, which I need to pull up this fall. I've found at least 15 seedlings throughout the back yard. And these are all teeny little plants I got at Home Depot in the 2quart pots for $5.99.
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Name: Steve
Prescott, AZ (Zone 7b)
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Aug 15, 2012 12:40 PM CST
South Africa and Mardi Gras


Moonstone and Grande Dame


Gingersnap and Cary Grant


Folklore and Fire Fighter


Day Breaker and Berolina


Duftzauber 84 and America


Dahlias
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Name: Cindi
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CindiKS
Aug 15, 2012 12:52 PM CST
Your roses are gorgeous, Steve! The foliage is so green and healthy looking, wow!
Hurray!
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Name: Steve
Prescott, AZ (Zone 7b)
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Steve812
Aug 15, 2012 2:02 PM CST
Thanks, Cindi. I'm very happy with the state of the garden right now. It seems to me that all the hours of weeding, watering, fertilizing, and mulching are paying off. The weather has been pretty kind. There are tense moments when things look like they might spin out of control. A week of cool, damp weather brought not only six inches of needed moisture, but also a pretty severe bout of powdery mildew in late July. Fortunately a combo of spraying and hot, dry weather for two weeks seems to have stopped the spread of the contagion. There are perpetual threats from all sorts of things: nibbling animals, adverse conditions, ... and so on. Right now I'm just delighted to be able to share some of the beauty of the garden with a few people who might appreciate it.
Name: Cindi
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Aug 15, 2012 6:57 PM CST
That is true, We not only appreciate you posting the beautiful photos, but we definitely feel for ya on all the hard work getting those blooms.
That was the really huge down side to moving out where I have room to grow lots of roses. Out here, very few people ever see them.
Your dahlias are just stunning. I've seen them in botanical gardens in other areas, but not around here in gardens. The stores all sell the roots (tubers?) but I really don't know anyone who gets them to grow.
Funny how Toni has too much success with agastache and caryopteris. Wonder what it is about her area that is so good for those plants? I grow them too, but they never self sow. Many of my agastache died in the hot wind this year.
Tomorrow it should cool down. Friday I have hired help coming, and next Tuesday, one of my daughters is coming in from California to help. Her job search there is not going as well as she had hoped, so I told her i would put her to work here. After a few days of digging and laying paver edging, she'll be more motivated in her job search. Anything will look better than the manual labor job at mom's house. Hilarious! Whistling
Or, she'll do what so many others do when they can't land the job of their dreams, she'll go to grad school.
Rolling my eyes. Shrug!
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Name: Joanne
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Aug 15, 2012 7:00 PM CST
Great pictures!
Name: Toni
Denver Metro (Zone 5a)
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Skiekitty
Aug 15, 2012 10:17 PM CST
Cindi - You want some? I'd be happy to send you some.. I have some new volunteers that are just teeny babies that I found when I was weeding. I haven't killed a single one of these ones. I killed my first 2 Sunshine Bluebeards, but these Dark Knights or Black Knights or whatever they are.. they're practically indestructible. I have a Sunshine that I'm going to see if I can get some cuttings to take and I have a Summer Sorbet that pulled through.
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Name: Cindi
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Aug 16, 2012 11:30 AM CST
Have Sunshine or Summer Sorbet made seedlings? Were they true?
I have a Snow Fairy that is happy on the west side of a full brick house, can you believe that?
Parts of it have reverted to straight green and I just don't have the time or patience to cut them out.
I have not found any seedlings anywhere, but I have not watered enough to sprout any kind of seed, either.
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Name: Toni
Denver Metro (Zone 5a)
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Skiekitty
Aug 16, 2012 12:02 PM CST
Cindi - Where Sunshine & Sorbet are isn't conductive for anything to grow, which is why I'm surprised they've survived! That's also the reason why I'm going to make cuttings.. I'm tired of seeing them for $29.99 for a 1gal pot!! I managed to snag the Sorbet at Walmart, of all places! on sale! 50% off! They had 2, bought them both, but 1 didn't make it. So I was out $2.50 (regularly $5)
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