Adeniums forum: Sad... one of my babies is not doing well! :(

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Name: Ive
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MamaIve12
Aug 15, 2012 5:59 PM CST
Ok, I know that every day in the backyard is a learning experience, but right now, I'm not very happy. One of my double flower adeniums is not doing well at all. I had kept it inside and decided to bring it outside this week.

...and of course, it's been pouring outside.

I checked on it today, and found that the stems are very soft.

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It wasn't the only adenium I transitioned outside. What puzzles me is that, of all the others, this is the only one I didn't transplant. I paid a bit more money for this one, and just let it be in its original pot.

I brought it back to my screened area, but I am now unsure of what to do next: should I cut let it be in the pot, should I unearth and hang, or should I just let things be?

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chefmike92
Aug 15, 2012 7:28 PM CST
OH no is the full brown part soft and squishy? that is not good if it is that looks like from the graft 3/4 way up branches.

this is what i get in a lot of rain and if mine are not in direct sun BUT mine is usually from tip down
Name: Ive
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MamaIve12
Aug 15, 2012 7:53 PM CST
It is soft and squishy on one side, not quite all the way through.
Like you said, it's very weird that it's on the upper stems. So what's the veredict?
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Name: Michael Hicks
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chefmike92
Aug 15, 2012 8:07 PM CST
oh my well

you can take a sharpy and mark where the rot lines are and watch day by day and if it grows i say you have to cut BUT you will loose the grafted part which means whatever it was to bloom as its not going to Grumbling Grumbling

OR you could try to cut away layer by layer and hop the rot is not more then 1/2 way threw and it might callous over and it might be able to be saves but that is not likely. I would have to see in person and see how far it has rotted threw . if you do cut you can peroxide it dry it and cinnamon keep that area very dry hope for the best..... i dont know what i would do with out putting my hands on it. if it where mine i would try to root the part from the top that is not rotted OR try to graft on a different rootstock.
Name: Ive
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MamaIve12
Aug 16, 2012 5:27 AM CST
What surprises me is that the trunk is actually in pretty good condition. I'm really sad, because it has only bloomed once and I was looking forward to see it bloom again.

I've had this plant for about three months; got it at Isaac Farms. I thought I was cuddling it too much by having it on my screened patio and that was why it was not flowering again. And now this. Crying

I'm in wait and see mode, although I did bring it back to the screened patio.
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Name: Melissa E. Keyes
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coconut
Aug 16, 2012 12:57 PM CST
OUT OF THE POT IMMEDIATELY!!!

ALL soil off the roots!!

Maybe even a fan blowing gently on it. Needs to be DRY at this point. Don't cut anything yet. Do not hang upside down.

Keep us posted!
Name: Michael Hicks
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chefmike92
Aug 16, 2012 2:50 PM CST
I just think just stop watering and let dry if you un pot you kill the feeder roots and you just took 3 steps backwards your rot is not on the caudexs and if the roots are in dry soil they cant keep feeding the rot. when you un-pot and kill the feeder roots and get the rot under control you need to re-pot and it is such a delicate process it is where you are going to have root rot if you are not very very careful. I think you will have a problem at that time. Now if the potting medium is wet i would lift the plant and carefully knock off 50-70% of the wet soil off and put a fan on it and as warm and dry as you can get it but when soil drys i would re-pot carefully with dry soil. DONT water...

just my thoughts I do remove from pots quite often to look but 99% of the problems i see are root rot and it happens when people get new plants that are bare root and no feeder roots it takes a lot of controll and skill to get them to create a feeder root system with out getting root rot .

mike
Name: Ive
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MamaIve12
Aug 16, 2012 4:44 PM CST
Thank you all for your responses. Very useful info!

I unearthed and this is what I found:

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Caudex and roots are very healthy, NO sign of root rot. I placed the plant to dry... away from the constant and plentiful afternoon rains we've been getting this week.

Hopefully I can nurse it back to health... Angel

It is such a dance with adeniums... my plummies are actually thriving with this mix of hot/rain/hot/rain!
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Name: Hetty
Sunny Naples, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Dutchlady1
Aug 16, 2012 6:10 PM CST
That looks healthy enough, think you should be fine!
Remember, they're called 'DESERT roses'.... Thumbs up
Name: Ive
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MamaIve12
Aug 16, 2012 6:33 PM CST
Yeah... I sort of photographed the good side. Sticking tongue out

I'm wondering if I should cut a little, or not.
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Name: Michael Hicks
Clermont, Fl
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chefmike92
Aug 16, 2012 6:44 PM CST
Hetty she said the stem and the graft has mushy rot to it do you think it can dry out and still have the graft repair its self? the small branch is total much threw the whole branch at one part and the large branch is much part way threw the branch. the rot is what worries me the caudex is in great shape!!
Name: Hetty
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Dutchlady1
Aug 16, 2012 6:55 PM CST
So the healthy part is all below the graft? You could cut the branches off and leave the bottom to heal itself and see what it turns into (a seedling!) or use it as grafting stock?
Name: Michael Hicks
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chefmike92
Aug 16, 2012 7:00 PM CST
Yes that is what we have been discussing in tree mail. I just hate that she is going to loose the nice flower and wondering if i could graft a new one for her??
looks to me like she has at least 8 in ov good top branch. the root stock already has a side branch to it.

you know its a shame to loose a great flower but you win some and loose some I just hate to loose some!!
Name: Hetty
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Dutchlady1
Aug 16, 2012 7:02 PM CST
chefmike92 said: I just hate to loose some!!
Hilarious! don't we all...

Name: Ive
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MamaIve12
Aug 17, 2012 5:56 AM CST
Good morning! Here is the plant, as of a few minutes ago. Sticking tongue out

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Because the 'V' part seems to be drying, I have hope!
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Name: Sylvain Forest
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lourspolaire
Aug 17, 2012 6:15 AM CST
Hi,everyone.

I have been following this with great interest. I live in fear of rot setting in on any part of my plants and I can often be found applying gentle pressure to stems and branches to detect problems before they spread; so far, so good. From what I understand in this case, there is healthy root stock, some rot on lowest part of a branch and healthy branches upwards after that.

In a case like that, and from what I understand of the conversations, why not:
a) cut the branches above the mushy part and save them;
b) completely cut off the section where mush is present and burn that to eradicate it;
c) graft the healthy, previously cut and saved healthy branches back onto the root stock.

Yes, one runs the risk of losing both the flower and the healthy branch, but sometimes you have to sacrifice a toe to save a foot. Oy, tell me about that!!

Your input is highly appreciated. I learn so much here.
Take care, all.
Sylvain, a.k.a. as eiwa manamana in Hawai'i (9 toes).
Name: Melissa E. Keyes
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coconut
Aug 17, 2012 11:55 AM CST
I agree with Sylvain. But do what you are comfortable with.

Great caudex/roots! The bit that is drying could be OK, keep an eye on it. Don't be in a rush to repot. I've had plants bare root for months and months. Haha, ask Wilfred, I sent him some yearlings that hadn't seen soil or water for something like five or six months.

I think I would cut the mushy branch just above the joint, not trying to get all the soft part. These plants really can heal themselves.

Don't worry if a few leaves drop off. Or they might not! I won't be back online until Monday late...

crazy plants.

Name: Ive
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MamaIve12
Sep 1, 2012 5:05 PM CST
I wanted to follow Sylvain's advice, but alas, it's been crazy in my life right now (wait, I guess that's my normal?!), so I haven't been able to tend to my adeniums as I wanted to. I just let the plant, unearthed, on an empty pot. The branches are drying out, but I do see one branch is healthier than the other.

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I have no choice but to let it be for now, but I'm encouraged that the plant has not gotten worse.

What's your take?
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Name: Cheryl
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ShadyGreenThumb
Sep 1, 2012 5:45 PM CST
I am not experienced or have any answer for you. But I know what it's like when something like this happens. It is almost heartbreaking. I am sad for you but you have some real experts here to help you and your adenium along the way. Keep us posted and never give up! Group hug Here's to many blooms in your future!
Life is short, Break the rules, Forgive quickly, Kiss slowly, Love Truly, Laugh
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Name: Michael Hicks
Clermont, Fl
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chefmike92
Sep 3, 2012 6:22 PM CST
my take on it you now have lost all the branches abouve the graft

i hate to say this but they could have been re-grafted but not now you need to just cut it and see what kind of rooting stock they used. if you look back to it hanging you had marked under the V was a little soft THAT caused the good green graft able branch to die.

Now you do have a good branch and good caudex that if you can get to it soon and cut the dead part off and after healing plant it and you will have a plant that is living. Its just not going to be the flower you had


sorry
mike

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