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Aug 24, 2012 3:52 PM CST

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The Palatine website has been updated for the new season and you now have one week to study it before placing an order. They'll start to take orders on September 1st. From past experience, I know that the best roses sell out very quickly, so I usually wait until a minute after midnight on August 31st and place my order then.

http://palatineroses.com/search/?gs=

I'm definitely cutting down on my purchases next year and I had expected to only replace cherished roses that are declining in my garden, but I think I can't resist Parfume de Grasse, Jam and Jerusalem, and Marriotta. The latter, in particular, is a rose I've always wanted, but my plans to order it have always been too late or have been frustrated in other ways.

No Austins this year. They had said they would stop carrying them, and I guess they were telling the truth.

The thumbnail photo is Souvenir de Baden Baden, one of the roses in last year's Palatine order.


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Aug 24, 2012 8:21 PM CST
aaaaah. One week to study. Crunch time. I noticed the loss of Austins, so I had to start my order from Austin Roses. I missed Grace last year, and after seeing all your photos I swore it wouldn't get away this year.
I can't find the wish list I was keeping from all the lovely rose parades this year, so I had to go back over them. It rained off and on all day, making me think that just possibly the horrendous heat and drought will end in my lifetime. If that's truly the case, then I'm planting more roses! Hurray!
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Aug 24, 2012 8:28 PM CST
Glad to hear you got rain!
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Aug 24, 2012 10:47 PM CST

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I just want South Africa. Green Grin!
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Name: Steve
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Aug 25, 2012 10:52 AM CST
Oooh. Good choice.
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Aug 28, 2012 6:54 PM CST

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The Palatine website has been updated again since the first time I posted four days ago and I'm not even sure they're through yet, so if you thought you had finalized your order, you'd better go back and check again. I'm glad I did. I would much rather have Monte Carlo Country Club than Parfum de Grasse (which they misspell "Parfume")..

My order, as it stands now, is Floral Fairy Tale, Jam and Jerusalem, Marriotta, Monte Carlo Country Club, and maybe Larissa and Parfum de Grasse. I'll pay the same shipping for up to nine roses.
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Skiekitty
Aug 29, 2012 8:33 AM CST
Erk.. now I'm gonna have to go look at my cart again. I have a VERY nice list made out... but I can't remember what my list was! I know I had Year 2000, Monica, Garden Delight, Charles de Galle, & City of Welland, but I had like 4 others that I can't remember now!! So I'm gonna have to go completely over my list again. I'm drooling over Siena Vigorosa, Salita, & Leonardo de Vinci.. and I don't even like pink roses!

I highly recommend their Magenta & their Solar Flash. Those two have been VERY proliferate in my yard as far as blooms! They were planted last year & have been blooming machines all this year. Blue Bayou & Kordes Brilliant are from 2010 and those are WONDERFUL roses that have been going and going & going... especially Blue Bayou.
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Aug 29, 2012 9:05 AM CST
oh, you guys! How am i supposed to get this list down to reasonable when you all keep posting..... Lovey dubby
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Skiekitty
Aug 29, 2012 10:02 AM CST
Cindi - If you're looking for a blue, GET BLUE BAYOU. OMG, it is the absolute BEST blue rose I have. CONSTANTLY in bloom, beautiful color, doesn't care about sun or shade, pretty drought tolerant, smells good, decent vase life, and I think it produces hips, too!
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Aug 29, 2012 4:18 PM CST
I think I'll replace MAAB with Buxom Beauty. It is evidently fragrant. It's the right color. Hopefully it's more vigorous. I am also tempted by: Grand Amore, Signature, Lorice Wojciechowski, and Annie Davidson.

Kordes Brilliant is going in a hole already dug for it near South Africa and Las Vegas.

Julia Child - four or five of them - are slated for a place where I have killed a lot of other more drought-tolerant plants. I'll redouble my efforts to keep them well.

I'm seriously considering Larissa, Jasmina, and Laguna climbers for spaces TBD - probably along the driveway.

There is one space next to Graham Thomas that begs for a warmly tinted red climber and I have to decide between Grandessa and Salita, or possibly Santana. Whatever it is, it has to also look good with the pink OGRs that are on the other side of it from GT. Maybe I should just move Summer Wine there.

I wonder about the Fairy Tale roses: Kosmos, Lion's, and Caramella. They beckon me, but I cannot yet imagine where they will go in the garden. Probably they will keep company with Buff Beauty somewhere along the driveway.

--- UPDATE on Palatine Roses from Previous Years ---

South Africa continues to bloom and to wow. The plant has some of the most gorgeous foliage in the garden, and the blooms are the most glorious shade of of apricot golden yellow. If I had no sense of smell, I'd be tempted to plant my garden wall-to-wall with these.

I raved recently about Berolina which seems to be perpetually in bloom. The blooms have delicious fragrance, and I happen to love both the precise shade of soft yellow and the scrolling of the petals. I guess if I had to have but one rose in the garden I'd choose this one.

Ascot has grown more vigorously than any rose in my garden. One has three canes at seven ft height in its first year. In places with lots of shade and root competition, it behaves more like a regular hybrid tea rose. It is not so generous with its flowers as one would expect. It is neither so foliferous as most floribundas nor so remontant as most hybrid tea roses. But it does have a good long spring flush of flowers, and the blossoms are a fairly garden-friendly shade of red. I prefer it to L.D. Braithwaite for its vigor, flower form, color, and fragrance.

The six Toscana Vigorosas that I panned in June for their fading blooms have more recently produced darker blooms that seem to fade more slowly with cooler autumn days and with damp soil. So while a month ago I was trying to figure out where to relocate some of them, at this moment I'm delighted with how this exact shade of red ties together the minis Cupcake and Winsome with a nearby red rose Legends as all of them come into bloom simultaneously. They have proven as vigorous as their name suggests. All are stretching out horizontally: three of these TVs have stretched out to five or six feet wide in their first year! And the foliage is a beautiful, dark, glossy olive green. It's the kind of plant you think of as a good landscape plant and then as a rose. Sometimes that's a good thing.

The minis Water Lily and Roxy bloomed through most of the season. Roxy faded a bit after blooming, and Water Lily had a tendency to cling to flowers that had long since dried out, making them roses that would look better if they got daily attention. That said, their vigor and nearly perpetual bloom cycle makes them ideal plants for near a sidewalk.

Moonstone has produced a very chunky bush in its first year and has been in bloom most of the time. The blooms blow a bit quickly by HT standards, but it still seems to be about as good a garden shrub as one is likely to find among roses. Janet Carnochan is slightly less impressive as a garden shrub, but the flowers keep their form longer. I am pleased with Paradise and Charles de Gaulle, but they have not been quite so vigorous.

In its second year Duftzauber 84 is head height and about 3 ft across. At this moment it is making huge, beautiful red flowers full of fragrance; and it has been blooming steadily - if not generously - all summer long. Folklore, also in its second season, has canes reaching seven feet high and is currently taking a break from a blooming streak that lasted for about two months. It' unfortunate because its blooms perfectly match the knifophias that are now blooming beside it. Valencia and Las Vegas, also in their second year have been less impressive, but at least both endured one winter and have produced some garden color this spring.

- a diversion -
Helmut Schmidt is off to a slow start in its first year; but on the days when it has produced new buds, it has been charming. Ditto Olympiad... oh but wait... I think those might be from Edmunds and S&W. All of my Palatine HTs (above) have done better than any of my S&W HTs this year i.e. Gemini, Liebeszauber, Barbara Streisand, Double Delight, and Gingersnap. They are also ahead of my two year old HTs from Edmunds i.e. Olympiad, Firefighter, Leanne Rimes, Signature (dead) Elina(dead), and Grande Dame. So, at least in this location, it would seem that multiflora rootstock promotes more vigorous growth than Dr. Huey stock does. My guess is that it has to do with soil temperature staying relatively cool here. We'll see what happens through the years. I have one Rainbow Sorbet on Dr Huey roots and two right next to it on multiflora roots. The former got a three year head start, but the latter two are already giving it a run for the money.
- end of diversion -

Ilse Krohn Superior from Palatine is finishing up her second season and looks glorious trained on a new arch. The canes are only now six feet high, but there's something just right about the way the flowers and the stems interact with the arch. Sometimes you do something and it works. ...

After years of failing with HTs in NJ because of black spot, and years of failing with them here because of lack of water and/or the wrong rootstock and/or planting them too early in spring and/or failing to protect them from spring freeze/thaw cycling, it feels good to have a year of measured success with them. Now I understand why people grow them where conditions are favorable.

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I hope some of this helps at least somebody in their rose choices for the coming season.

Good luck with your Palatine orders: may you get what you choose and enjoy what you get.
Name: Zuzu
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Aug 29, 2012 11:33 PM CST

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What a wonderful progress report, Steve. I have also found that roses grown on Multiflora or Fortuniana root stock usually are much more vigorous than those grown on Dr. Huey.
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Aug 31, 2012 6:10 PM CST

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Tonight's the night, Folks. I'm three hours behind Toronto, so I'm putting in my order shortly after 9:00 here. I'm toying with the idea of adding Magenta to my order. It's such a gorgeous rose that I already have two of them, but both came from Vintage Gardens and are fairly small. It would be such a treat to have a big grafted one. I'm definitely ordering Floral Fairy Tale, Jam and Jerusalem, Marriotta, Monte Carlo Country Club, and one for Sue (South Africa).
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Skiekitty
Aug 31, 2012 7:23 PM CST
Oh definitely got Magenta!! I love this rose!! I'm only 2 hours behind but I have a big list already to go.. DH is gonna kill me. Lollll Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing
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Skiekitty
Aug 31, 2012 9:20 PM CST
I'm in! I'm in! Yay!

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Thanks Cindi! I had my alarm set for 10pm.. guess they opened early?
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Aug 31, 2012 9:23 PM CST

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You bet I'm getting it. HMF says it's 5-6 feet tall and 4 feet wide. My two from Vintage are about 18 inches tall and 6-8 inches wide and I've had them for more than 5 years. I would love to gradually replace all of my own-root roses with grafted ones. I wish Palatine had a broader selection. Last year I did that with Tarde Gris. Even the bare-root rose Palatine sent me was already twice as tall as my 6-year-old Tarde Gris from Vintage. Some roses should never be grown on their own roots.
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Skiekitty
Aug 31, 2012 9:27 PM CST
My Magenta (2011) is probably.. oh.. 2.5-3' tall and about the same in width. It's kinda sprawly, though.. not bushy at all. I'll see about taking a full plant pic tomorrow.
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Aug 31, 2012 10:10 PM CST

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I placed my order and I'm so glad I took a closer look at everything, including a search on HMF for more photos. Otherwise, I would have missed Let's Celebrate, which just might turn out to be my favorite. It looked pink on the Palatine website, but it's actually a gorgeous mauve blend.

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.200770

I ended up ordering the maximum for the lowest shipping price -- 9 roses. One for Sue and eight for me.

Floral Fairy Tale
Helen Naude
Jam and Jerusalem
Let's Celebrate
Magenta
Marriotta
Monte Carlo Country Club
Parfum de Grasse
South Africa
Name: Cindi
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CindiKS
Aug 31, 2012 10:49 PM CST
Hmmm. Magenta...didn't get that one. Didn't get Anne Henderson, Floral Fairy Tale, or a few others I was sure I wanted. They added some new ones in the last few days, so my wish list changed!
I did get 22 roses in total. *Blush*

Aloha Hawaii (replacing one that didn't make it)
Blue Bajou (Toni and Zuzu's fault)
Cinderella Fairy Tale
Jam and Jerusalem
Kordes Golden Gate
Out of Rosenheim (this is my kind of rose!)
Poseidon (thanks to Toni!)
Pink Martini
Queen of Hearts (thanks to Zuzu)
Salita (client picked this out!)
Laguna
South Africa (Sue and Steve's fault, I ordered 2 of this)
Solero Vigorosa
Toscana Vigorosa (thanks to Steve)
Westerland--for client, because she saw mine, but this one is not listed as a climber. oops.
Lavender Lassie (been on my wish list for at least 10 years)
Blanc Double de Coubert (really wanted Mme Plantier, can't find it anywhere)
charles de Mills
Angel Veranda
Fantin Latour

6 of those were for a client but the rest will go in my garden! Lovey dubby
And I just noticed I really did forget one. Hope they let me add on cl. Souvenir de la Malmaison. Does anyone know if you can add, or if they make you start over with a new order? I seem to remember one company that had a fee for changing your order.
I didn't expect them to be open early, and my computer keeps dropping the connection, so i was nervous about that and worked quickly, thinking I might not get a chance later.
I didn't get any HT's. I really wanted Lucille Ball & Grand Amore but decided in favor of more floribundas, shrubs and OGRs. I'll just have to enjoy the HTs in some other garden.

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Name: Zuzu
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Sep 1, 2012 12:01 AM CST

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Westerland has always been classified as a shrub in the rose world, Cindi, so don't worry about that. It always climbs, but it can also be pruned to remain a shrub.

I'm sure they'll be happy to let you add on, and they won't charge you extra money for it. Just e-mail them or call them up. They're wonderful people and might talk your ear off, but they're very accommodating.

You're going to love South Africa! It was one of the very first roses I ever ordered from Palatine, back in 2006 or 2007 -- whenever they first started shipping roses to the United States.
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Skiekitty
Sep 1, 2012 9:17 AM CST
You are gonna absolutely love Blue Bayou. It's definitely in my top 3 favorite roses. Seriously. I absolutely LOVE that rose. But I want variety, otherwise I would have ordered more of them. Next year, however, if all my Sterling Silvers croak or all my BGs, I may just order a ton of them to replace them here, there, & wherever in the yard. Poseidon is also a wonderful rose.. blooming quite nicely this year (first year in the ground). I had the choice between Lavender Lassie or Charles de Gaulle, so I went with CdG. Now, I'm hoping that your Charles de Mills is better than mine. I got mine from RU based on the description from HMF. Mine has the world's worst thorns (covered from head to toe) and is always blood thirsty (grabs at me whenever I walk by). I'm having to move him once the weather cools down (wth, 90+ degs in Sept??? our norms are supposed to be in the 70s & 60s!!!). I don't know exactly where I'm going to put him (someplace I don't walk through, that's for sure), but I *have* to move him due to the thorns (he has the little prickers plus the big ol' thorns).

Rachel is a VERY nice lady if you call her. She may not pick up the phone immediately, but she will call you back. I'd recommend calling rather than emailing. Sometimes, they're a little slow w/responding to emails. But I seriously doubt they'll charge you extra anything to add another rose onto your list.

I can't wait! I'm doing bad things.. I'm requesting all these roses to be shipped to me mid-november. That's totally the wrong time of year for me to get them, but what I'm doing is putting them in the ground super deep (24-30" deep each to support their root systems) and then putting a mountain of mulch (about half a bag each) over each one (I have these big buckets w/o bottoms that I put around the canes). That way, when spring wakes up everything, they'll have a big ol head start.
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