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Name: Tina
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chalyse
Aug 29, 2012 6:18 PM CST
Living in 100-degree summers means my daylilies will take a real color-beating during July and August. Can anyone recommend colorfast deep (clear but darker), richly colored purples that don't seem to fade, or turn some shade of red, or go black? This is for a garden that is not heavily treated, and not shaded in any way (not even afternoons).

I'm open to all types and seasons, and any that can beat the July/Aug heat get extra :thumbsup:'s ... The ATP photo database is such a wonderful help, but not all cultivars have a full range of pictures - thank goodness for all those who do post realistic pictures of how cultivars perform naturally. :} Oh, and, I'm on a budget ... so tried-and-true older daylilies are very welcome!

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Name: Juli
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Aug 29, 2012 6:30 PM CST
Bela Lugosi and Sleepy Hollow are my nices dark purples that hold up to sun here. But that is Ohio....
Name: Tina
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chalyse
Aug 29, 2012 6:38 PM CST
That's a very helpful start, though, thanks! ... and maybe others can add their experience? Group hug I've peeked at those two now and they look wonderful, even in end-of-day pics! Thumbs up

Oooo! .. and who is that beautiful purple in your avatar? Very pretty! I admire the new ones, even if from a distance. :}
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Name: Juli
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Aug 29, 2012 8:27 PM CST
Tina, it is a diploid seedling of mine.

I have noticed that dark purples and reds that have a very shiny, satiny surface hold up the best. My theory is that the surface reflects part of the sun, allowing them to stay better in the sun.
Name: James
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JWWC
Aug 29, 2012 8:38 PM CST
Strutter's ball does well for me but it does get afternoon shade.
Name: Tina
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chalyse
Aug 29, 2012 8:45 PM CST
Thanks :} I'm also very open to trying those that have done well for others, even under different conditions. Its a great starting point, and may lead me to finding purples that work here too.

And, regarding Juli's intro, if Google has led me correctly down the path (with just "juli" and "ohio" lol)... maybe it is drinkin' ink ... keeping my eye on it! That's a very helpful hint about shiny/satiny sun-reflecting flowers ... makes total sense, and I'll know to look for it as I get to know some new daylily blooms next year.
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Name: Ann
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farmerbell
Aug 29, 2012 8:56 PM CST
I second Strutter's Ball as a great purple. It isn't expensive or fancy, but still beautiful with great purple color.
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Name: Juli
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daylily
Aug 29, 2012 9:20 PM CST
Tina, I don't have any intros. I have several seedlings I think are worthy of naming, but have no plans on doing so, as I have no way to market them. And, what's the point in naming them just to keep them myself?
Name: Tina
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chalyse
Aug 29, 2012 9:47 PM CST
Oh Oh! Thanks, first, for the second vote on strutter's ball ... i'm jotting it on my list! Thumbs up

Secondly, Oh Oh Ohhh!!! Juli ... because your seedling looks just like a $100 dip cultivar that google thought you'd introduced in 2012 ... doesn't that deserve a $15 registration fee? nodding That way, you have the chance to show its characteristics to others by housing it in ATPs database (so we can learn from your success - its Gorgeous!), and perhaps name a flower after someone or something that you'd like to commemorate. A helpful person at AHS has assured me that their core mission is simply to record names, so it doesn't matter if you cannot sell it.

I'm in the same boat ... I can't sell or ship any daylilies, but I'm planning on naming and registering any that turn out to my liking, if only for posterity. If it also ends up chronicling what crosses resulted in what characteristics, all the better. I know I find a lot of inspiration and guidance from listings in the ATP database that are clearly cultivars that were never sold....

Hoping you might consider it ....... Group hug
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Name: Paula Shaw
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petalsnsepals
Aug 30, 2012 4:16 AM CST
I would have to agree. I have Strutter's Ball and mine is in full sun all day and it never fades .We dont get many 100 degree days here in Michigan but this summer we had many days that tempts were in the high 90's and it was always as dark purple as when it opened.
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Hemlady
Aug 30, 2012 4:47 AM CST
Maybe Lyle will chime in. He has a lot of nice purples and he lives in Arizona where it is very hot so he probably could tell you which ones do well for him. I know he has Larry's Obsession so I imagine that one does well for him.
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gardenglory
Aug 30, 2012 5:55 AM CST
I have tried and tried, but have given upon purple, other than lavender. Lyle has great ones, I think he has the same fading problem, but has put up shade cloth, if I remember. If I grew flowers like lyle, I wouldnt care if it only stayed purple and hour, I hope you find some!
Sandy Holmes sent me a great flower bonus last year, it is dark purple tho, and it does turn brown in the afternoon. So sad. I hope she doesnt see this, but it has to go.
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Name: Tina
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chalyse
Aug 30, 2012 6:49 AM CST
Somehow your lament has made me more resolved, though! I'm all ears! And, the carnation companion plants in my garden keep whispering "if we can do it, so can daylilies..."

I wonder if the light-reflecting quality of "diamond-dusted" purple daylilies might be something for me to explore?

And, now I hope for some feedback on having the well-recommended Strutter's Ball in my 8b climate, since I've learned its a dormant. I'm mystified by "summer dormancy" and whether it is a gamble to have dormants where they will only get 1-2 weeks of 25-31 degree weather each winter, if at all. Not to mention the 2 months of 90+ weather each summer ... Shrug! Confused

You all have been such help in discovering and exploring ... collectively, I think ATP's great peeps have nudged and re-nudged me countless times toward the best-possible "first year" of daylilies for 2013.... THANKS! Hurray! Hurray! Hurray!

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Name: Jan
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philljm
Aug 30, 2012 7:03 AM CST
heh heh heh.... I think we are enabling again Big Grin Whistling
Name: Tina
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chalyse
Aug 30, 2012 7:10 AM CST
Rolling on the floor laughing Hilarious! Blinking Drooling Rolling my eyes. Thumbs up Hurray! nodding Lovey dubby Angel
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Natalie
Aug 30, 2012 7:04 PM CST
Hurray! Hurray! Jan!

Tina, Stutter's Ball has held up very nicely for me this summer too. We were in the upper 90s and low 100s most of the summer, and I was impressed with the color at the end of the day! It got a tiny bit of morning shade, but was in full sun the rest of the day.
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Name: Tina
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chalyse
Aug 30, 2012 9:52 PM CST
You all are amazing ... y'know how after a while, the sheer number of cultivars starts to make the eyes glass over? Well, what a pleasant surprise you gave me ...

I've just spent the night researching Strutter's Ball and Bela Lugosi, following their awesome pedigrees and performance, checking every picture, and on and on.

They are _perfect_ for what I was hoping to find ... the only challenge will be that SB is a dormant, but I could try crossing it with Bela to see what results (again, perfect, since I want to try hybridizing for specific results).

I am super excited about them, and can't thank you enough! Hurray! Group hug Hurray!

I also very much appreciate the other suggestions, and will be following them up, too!
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Name: Ken
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CaliFlowers
Nov 25, 2014 12:16 AM CST
Tina,

Do you have a lot of trouble growing dormants?

I grow Strutter's Ball and Bela Lugosi, and both perform well here. Strutter's Ball is underground already, Bela Lugosi is still holding a leaf or two. Curt registered it as a semi-evergreen, but it tends to lean toward the dormant end of that spectrum.

Here, Strutter's Ball is probably more of a true purple, if I had to judge between the two. Bela Lugosi seems to have a just a tad more red involved in the color, but I really like the look of its "velvet pile" finish, which adds both sparkle and darkness, making the color "pop". I think it's also a big factor in sun-resistance. Bela Lugosi tends to open a bit more reliably than Strutter's Ball, which can have a stiff petal or two, but that shouldn't be much of an issue with your warm evenings.

I'm in Zone 9, but probably a good deal north of you. Because of marine influence, our summer nights cool off rapidly after sunset. The cool weather intensifies/darkens the color in a lot of daylilies, (if there's any "mud" in the mix, it will definitely show up here) and adversely affects their sunfastness, as the segments are often not adequately pumped by morning. They still have their share of good days, but when a cool night precedes a day in the upper 80's with clear skies and 30% humidity, even some of the pastels can show afternoon damage.

Nona Ford's Norman Lee Hennel is another purple I'd recommend - it has interesting color, a refreshing green throat, and performs very well in the garden. Like many purples, it's not as red as the ATP images depict. It's a tetraploid, not a dip as registered.

John Benz's Imperial Conquest is very nice, one of my favorites, and might have the best substance of them all. Even here it opens nicely and holds well.

Another great one is Curt's Den of Iniquity, which has exceptionally clean purple color, as well as one of the brightest and cleanest green throats I've ever seen. It's also not as red as its ATP image, but at least the ATP images depict the correct flower -- the AHS database image is way off in form as well as color, and I suspect it might actually be a picture of Curt's Night Deposit).

Ken
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LarryW
Nov 26, 2014 2:19 PM CST
Hi Tina, I live within 10 miles of Augusta, Georgia, which I know is zone 8 and pretty much on the dividing line between 8a and 8b. Summer temperatures here are well into the 90's from June through most of September - - and sometimes start in May and don't stop until early-to-mid-October, plus we have high humidity. By the end of July our night time temperatures (I can hardly call them "low temperatures") are in the 70's. In a typical winter we might get one snow that actually sticks to the ground and maybe two or three times when the low actually gets into the 20's or upper teens for a day or two, but can then be up to the 60's a couple of days later - maybe even higher.

I have been slowly increasing the number of dormants that I grow over the last couple of years and will share what I have learned. I now have 15 dormant cultivars and many, many dormant seedlings including dormant X dormant crosses. Most of the plants grow and increase just fine here. I have noticed two that have up and down years. That is, they may grow well one year, then die back during the winter and come back the next spring with only one-third as many fans, but then increase and do fine through the next winter. Those two are Ruffled Strawberry Parfait (Reckamp, 2003) and Dragon Slayer (Polston, 2007). Heavenly Pink Fang (Gossard, 2004) has done this once over the five winters I have grown it. What I have had with some dormants, however, is rot problems particularly in years with a wet spring followed by a dry summer where I struggle to keep my garden moist (I use city water, often with restrictions on when and how much I can water). I lost Upon This Rock (Korth P-Korth L, 2004) and Alan Lane Agin (Agin, 2007) to rot plus several dormant seedlings. I also notice that some dormant seedlings (particularly but not exclusively those with Alan Lane Agin in the parentage) are susceptible to rot if I transplant them while it is still in the upper 80's or higher. Maybe these observations are because of something I am doing or not doing, so this is not to say that someone nearby couldn't grow them. Nevertheless, Cast Your Crown (Korth, 2008), Forestlake Ragamuffin(Harding, 1993), Mary Lena (Rice J, 2006), Ruckus (Rice JA, 2007), Susan Ruoff (Bachman, 2009), and a Korth seedling with Upon This Rock a couple of generations back in its parentage have never had an issue in my garden. Note: Both Upon This Rock and the Korth seedling had/have very bad sun-fading problems in my garden.) I do have a couple of "Southern" dormants (from Carpenter) that do fine too, and two that are registered dormants that do not go dormant, Shores of Time (Stamile, 2002) and Venus Flytrap (Gossard, 2007). I have a couple more that are in their first winter here.
Sorry I can't help you on the issue of deep purples that are not strongly affected by the sun. I bought several in this color group this past summer, but won't be able to tell you about performance until next year, and by the way, they are all planted where they get full shade from about 1PM through the afternoon.
Larry
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spiderjoe
Dec 2, 2014 9:58 AM CST
The problem with a-lot of toothy daylilies is that the base colour is dirty. Ruckus is a prime example.

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