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Dec 27, 2012 11:12 PM CST
Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
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Lynn, it is its first year. The other vine in its second year gave six flowers this season. Now I have two types of plants that if given a chance, can take over the neighborhood Whistling . Grapes and Passionflower. Did any one know that Passiflora is a sedative for raw nerves?
http://www.raysahelian.com/pas...
Flowers growing around you also have the same property in their perfume plus tea.
Regards,
Arif.
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Dec 28, 2012 1:33 AM CST
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
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Raw nerves? Hmmm, the tea sounds like it might be tasty.
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Dec 28, 2012 7:14 AM CST
Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Container Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Enjoys or suffers hot summers Multi-Region Gardener
Passiflora and Chamomile tea sounds just right, fail safes to have on the bedside table after a certain age Lovey dubby . The second one is also found commonly in gardens. From pickles to Indian radishes rich in Hydrogen Sulfide to teas, what next Confused
Regards,
Arif.
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Dec 28, 2012 9:41 AM CST
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Name: Neil
London\Kent Border
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Dear Arif, passionflower and chamomile are indeed steadying but Raw nerves! Well read what we went through because they don't work for this!
Here is one from a war I was in!
Group hug
Neil.
Musings on a small war
(Late reflections on a safe return from the Falklands War)

I watched the burials in the cemetery overlooking Ajax Bay,
grieved with their companions; thought of families far away.
There is a lonelier ground than this, so I’ve heard tell,
but where was it to be found? Nowhere this side of Hell.

T.V and newspapers have proclaimed the fighting’s glory;
for those down there it was a different tale; a truer story
of men, not all young, who fought and survived
their unlucky comrades-at-arms who have died.

How to account for each precious life taken away –
is it enough to recall that they did their duty this day?

Tell it so to those families who, in desolation and sorrow,
have given up yesterday’s light for a black tomorrow.
Tell it to men dead in the mud or floating in the sea
but for Christ’s sake don’t try and tell that to me.

Ships sunk; aircraft down; men missing, believed dead
good viewing on the nightly news before the nation goes to bed.
But our news was relief at another day seen through
and hope that the coming night’s fears were survivable, too.

“Hit the deck, hit the deck” is the loudspeaker’s awful call
as we scramble from sleep to the “Action Stations” alarm thrall.
Snapshots of one’s life flash past –
grab a breath and wonder if it could be the last.

“You survived, you came home” the disbelieving voices cried,
“what of the real heroes who did not return, those who died?”
“True” my friends, “no scars to show and our faces are unlined;
but, oh, if only you could feel the wounds gaping in our minds”.

“Would you fight again?” ask the silent whispers of the night,
As I try to forget the apocalyptic visions which are a blight
on my peace. Yes, oh yes, when others of my blood have lost
their freedom, their way of life; and not to count the cost.

War-broken bodies were healed, returned to a normality:
ravaged pysches festered unseen in their distorted reality.
Two hundred and fifty-five men did not return victorious from this war;
almost thirty years on, and lonely suicides have doubled that score.

Nicholas Lutwyche
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Dec 28, 2012 1:19 PM CST
Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Container Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Enjoys or suffers hot summers Multi-Region Gardener
Dear Niel, I can understand exactly what you are trying to convey. That question has not been raised the first time but will again and again. An open truthful answer leads to trouble but we are pawns in the hands of the chess masters. So, we find solace in Chamomile and Passiflora and behave like sacrificial sheep.
With a heavy fearful heart I write this. For us it started in '79 and still goes on with no end in sight.
Kind Regards I tip my hat to you.
Arif.
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Dec 28, 2012 1:36 PM CST
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
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I can only imagine what it must be like Arif. My daughter-in-law has lived through the same experiences. Group hug
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Dec 29, 2012 10:26 AM CST
Name: Carole
Clarksville, TN (Zone 6b)
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Well, Lynn, don't feel like the Lone Ranger. I've planted three P. incarnata here and none have survived. They are the state wildflower of Tennessee and grow wild around here. I was frustrated until someone told me that they can be very difficult to get started and established in the ground here. But once established, look out. They can be rampant growers. So I am gong to try again. I'll eventually get it. I'm determined. nodding
I garden for the pollinators.
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Dec 29, 2012 10:38 AM CST
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Neil, please confirm -20F, -29C.
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Dec 29, 2012 10:41 AM CST
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
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I understand it is best to get them in the ground early in the growing season, so the roots have all season to establish. That might be what my problem is, I planted them later in the summer. Sad
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Dec 29, 2012 11:57 AM CST
Name: Carole
Clarksville, TN (Zone 6b)
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I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Garden Ideas: Master Level Cat Lover Birds Region: Tennessee Echinacea
Yes, I planted two of mine early. The third I dug up later in the year while foraging. Maybe this is one of those plants that just doesn't like me ... even if it is our state wildflower. Glare Shrug! Green Grin!

I'll get it one of these days. Oh yes, I will. Thumbs up
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Dec 29, 2012 1:04 PM CST
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
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Hurray! Thumbs up
Maybe we both will. Big Grin
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Dec 29, 2012 1:18 PM CST
Name: Carole
Clarksville, TN (Zone 6b)
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I'm rooting for us. (groan) Thumbs up
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Dec 29, 2012 1:57 PM CST
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
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Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing We'll get it yet. This year will be it. Big Grin
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Dec 30, 2012 5:11 AM CST
Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
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Get it in early just after the last frost. First year at end of season it would be best if you coil it down on to the ground, mulch it and put a plastic sheet over it. So, do keep in mind that it has to come down, don't twine around obstacles just use ties. About a bit more then two thirds will die off but as long as you have even a six inch piece green left, then watch the fun.
Regards,
Arif.
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Dec 31, 2012 12:49 AM CST
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
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I will follow your instruction Arif. Thumbs up
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Dec 31, 2012 5:15 AM CST
Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Container Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Enjoys or suffers hot summers Multi-Region Gardener
Now this is another plant which I have a sneaky suspicion about, Lynn just look at it, I will put the flower up also. Third year, first two it spent on the ground, now it is to woody so it will have to take its chance. I wonder how much of this one will die back? It is the frost which keeps them manageable.
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Shrug! I don't understand how you all manage to keeps Burgs under control at four feet? Must be because they are planted in the container. Try a spare Burg up a South facing wall.
Regards,
Arif.
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Jan 1, 2013 1:13 AM CST
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
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Arif I have no idea what that is? What a great bloom it has.
The leaves at first made me think of an avocado leaves. I know that isn't what it is, but that's what it made me think of. Smiling
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Jan 1, 2013 3:43 AM CST
Name: Carole
Clarksville, TN (Zone 6b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages Plant Identifier I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database. Avid Green Pages Reviewer
I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Garden Ideas: Master Level Cat Lover Birds Region: Tennessee Echinacea
That bloom looks familiar. How big is it? Is it close to the size of a Brug bloom?
I garden for the pollinators.
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Jan 1, 2013 10:33 PM CST
Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Container Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Enjoys or suffers hot summers Multi-Region Gardener
Yes, it is the size of a brug bloom as we do not have the latest cultivars only this cream and a white you might find it in heirloom varieties. I wish I could get my hands on cutting of some of these latest cultivars. It is just the right season. Can these things be grafted?
The locals are as afraid of this as they are of Datura, won't come any where near it.
Regards,
Arif.

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