Lilies forum: L. 'Blue Flash'

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Name: Brian
Ontario Canada (Zone 5b)
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bearsearch
Oct 8, 2012 7:33 AM CST
Has anyone heard of an asiatic called 'Blue Flash' ? Our lily society has them listed for the bulb sale and I can't find any information on it anywhere.
Name: Connie
Willamette Valley OR (Zone 8a)
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pardalinum
Oct 8, 2012 11:11 AM CST

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I can't find anything on it. The price ($8) leads me to suspect that maybe it is from a local hybridizer. Too bad the ORLS website doesn't provide any information about their sources for the bulbs.
Name: Anthony Gloriosoides[ sure!]
Rosetta,Tasmania,Australia (Zone 7b)
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gwhizz
Oct 9, 2012 3:00 AM CST
Is it possibly the Bhutan'Nanum'?[blue/grey]-It caused quite a stir here, when the 1st picture was shown
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Lincoln, NE
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Moby
Oct 9, 2012 7:09 AM CST
The name rings a bell ~ in the far, far distance. There is reference to an old seed bank and I wonder if it is related
http://www.rareplants.co.uk/product.asp?s=lf97tj1199397&P_ID...
http://www.rareplants.co.uk/product.asp?P_ID=1305&strPageHis...
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Name: Rick R.
near Minneapolis, MN zone 4a
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Leftwood
Oct 9, 2012 8:52 AM CST
Found it.

If you're still a member of Davesgarden.com, you can look here too:
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1240776/

Otherwise, and/or, look here:
http://blog.marilyncornwell.com/2009/07/lilycrest-garden-in-...
Name: Connie
Willamette Valley OR (Zone 8a)
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pardalinum
Oct 9, 2012 10:43 AM CST

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Ha! I was right... a local hybridizer....
Thanks for digging around for info on that one Lefty, Moby and Anthony. Nice lily; case closed Hurray! .
Lincoln, NE
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Moby
Oct 9, 2012 9:38 PM CST
Good grief, no wonder it sounded familiar ~ my lily society is selling it. Duh....
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Name: Brian
Ontario Canada (Zone 5b)
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bearsearch
Oct 9, 2012 9:51 PM CST
Thanks for finding it for me. Nice pattern but I fail to see anything blueish on it. Might buy one just to see.
Name: Anthony Gloriosoides[ sure!]
Rosetta,Tasmania,Australia (Zone 7b)
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gwhizz
Oct 10, 2012 3:12 AM CST
Its grey!
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MAINIAC
Oct 14, 2012 6:13 AM CST
I think Blue Flash is a lily hybridized by Dr. Brian Bergman of Toronto, Canda.
Name: Connie
Willamette Valley OR (Zone 8a)
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pardalinum
Oct 14, 2012 10:23 AM CST

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Indeed it is. I have entered it into the data base in hopes someone will grow and photograph it (hint hint Green Grin! ).
Name: Brian
Ontario Canada (Zone 5b)
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bearsearch
Oct 14, 2012 3:57 PM CST
I was just at our society's bulb sale and they didn't have it as he sold out to a couple of other lily societies in the States, so someone down there will have to do it. I spoke with Dr. Brian Bergman who is the hybridizer and it is not yet registered but will be soon he hopes. He won't have any more for sale for a few years! Sad
I was able to get a couple other asiatics hybridized by him though!
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Name: Lily Martagon
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sgardener
Oct 14, 2012 5:19 PM CST

The Iowa Regional Lily Society has some of his trumpet seedlings. I ordered the orange one and the other two were already sold out when I placed my order. There is one lily in their list that I am not familiar with: Dancing Tiger. Could that be his?
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Moby
Oct 14, 2012 9:55 PM CST
I tried to get a 'Blue Flash' but they were all gone. We didn't get very many ~ 9 maybe?
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Name: Connie
Willamette Valley OR (Zone 8a)
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pardalinum
Oct 14, 2012 10:06 PM CST

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I procrastinated on our sale and missed out on one of Eddie McRae's Asiatics that I wanted. Live and learn!
Name: Anthony Gloriosoides[ sure!]
Rosetta,Tasmania,Australia (Zone 7b)
idont havemuch-but ihave everything
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gwhizz
Oct 15, 2012 3:30 AM CST
Always next year Blinking Im trying to buy a 'cheap copy' of Ed Mcraes lily book, but 'no such luck' Thumbs down
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MAINIAC
Oct 15, 2012 6:08 PM CST
These are Brian's pictures of Blue Flash
Thumb of 2012-10-16/MAINIAC/ca085e
Thumb of 2012-10-16/MAINIAC/4be8f5
Name: Anthony Gloriosoides[ sure!]
Rosetta,Tasmania,Australia (Zone 7b)
idont havemuch-but ihave everything
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Region: Australia Lilies Seed Starter Bulbs
Plant and/or Seed Trader Hellebores Birds Seller of Garden Stuff Garden Art Cat Lover
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gwhizz
Dec 8, 2012 5:15 PM CST
Front cover of 'The Trumpeter'Thumb of 2012-12-08/gwhizz/28add7
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Name: Rick R.
near Minneapolis, MN zone 4a
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Leftwood
Mar 18, 2013 2:29 AM CST
At our local North Star Lily Society education meeting today, hybridizer Brian Bergman was the speaker. He showed some pics of his Blue Flash, while mentioning that it really is purple, and the blue come from light reflecting off a certain way. His actual words were "reflecting mainly at the edges", but I believe what he actually means is off the surface edge anywhere on the petals, rather that just the outside edge that we normally think of as "edge". In this respect, Blue Flash is aptly named in my opinion, as the blue tint can come and go depending on the reflecting light. Brian said Blue Flash is most likely an LA. He had two instances where he lost massive hybridizing records. One when his car was stolen with his record book inside, and another time when he had a crew of young assistants helping him plant seedlings in the field, and they gathered all the labels in a single pile "for" him. Crying Apparently Blue Flash was one of these lostlings.

The title of his presentation was "Quarks and Quirks", which was about the really great hybridizing results (the quarks) he's had and the duds (the quirks) that come along for the ride. It could have been kinda boring, but he continually inserted tidbits of hybridizing advice and commentary, and there was no shortage of questions from the audience, either.

Some take-aways:
---- in the majority of cases, it is the pod parent that contributes most of the structure to the seedling:
-- leaf and stem characteristics
-- inflorescence shape and how pedicels arrange.
-- height
-- etc.
---- in the majority of cases, it is the pollen parent that contributes more to the flower form.
---- Brian does not protect his crosses from contamination, either before or after the deed is done. He feels the mechanical futzing. etc., can impede optimal pollination.
.........................In his view, I assume, the end result is more important than the surety of knowing how it got there.
---- LA x A will usually yield offspring that look more asiatic than LA.
---- TO x LA will yield offspring that look more like LA.
---- T x A (T is pod parent) is more apt to be successful than A x T.
---- germinate seeds of interdivisional crosses in low 60s F. Once they are up, you can move them to higher temps. He seemed quite confident that germination of these
..........................seeds will fail at 70 F and warmer.

I have reposted this information in a new thread, so please, any hybridizing comments not specific to Blue Flash should be addressed there:
The thread "Hybridizing Lilies" in Lilies forum

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Name: della
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dellac
Mar 18, 2013 5:16 AM CST
That's fantastic information - thanks for conveying.

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