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Name: Jerry
Salem, IL
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Oldgardenrose
May 13, 2011 10:06 AM CST
Old fashioned rose I found growing in a wooded area and dug a piece of root. Single bloomer, peony-type blossom, nice mild fragrance, very rugged and disease free. Easy to start from suckers.Thumb of 2011-05-13/Oldgardenrose/eeaf97
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Name: Betty
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Betja
May 13, 2011 10:44 AM CST
I wonder if it was used as a rootstalk at some point, since it's so easy to start... It's very beautiful!
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Name: Jerry
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Oldgardenrose
May 13, 2011 11:06 AM CST
I once let it climb up an 8 foot trellis and it folded over at the top and grew another 3 feet. Canes are thin, about the size of a common pencil, and stay green year round. Never have had a close-to-positive id, even checking Barden's OGR site.
Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
May 13, 2011 11:19 AM CST

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A stunning rose!

Betty, it's interesting that you asked about the possibility of it being used as rootstock. My neighbor across the street bought two tree roses from Grocery Outlet several years ago. The roses at the top died shortly afterward and now the rootstock has taken over and greatly resembles Jerry's rose.

How large are the blooms, Jerry? The ones across the street are not large: maybe 3 inches across at the most.
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Skiekitty
May 13, 2011 11:20 AM CST
wow.. that's a pretty rose, and I love how it just wants to GROW! I saw an email from Cliff about Hybrid Perpetuals and thought of this rose that he posted a pic of Heinrich Schultheis: But HMF says only like 4' and yours obviously grows much larger than that.

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.3235.1&tab=1
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Name: Jerry
Salem, IL
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Oldgardenrose
May 13, 2011 12:24 PM CST
The blossoms are 2.5 to 3 inches and are in clusters on short stems. Size and bloom period vary with sun quality and fertilizer. In the wild, the blossoms were barely half that size. Downwind with a gentle breeze, the fragrance is especially pleasant but not overpowering.

The master clump in the backyard has been cut to almost ground level a few times and always comes back strong. The blossoms seem to be always on new growth so the trimming is a rejuvenator. The clump pictured is one of two in the front yard, both started from suckers. A good cutting expert could probably achieve the same results.

Last year, I sent samples to two DG members but have not checked this year to see if they survived.
Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
May 13, 2011 12:24 PM CST

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I think I found the one that's growing across the street. It's De la Grifferaie and it was once commonly used as a rootstock in California, especially for tree roses.

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.89673
Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
May 13, 2011 1:14 PM CST
That does look like the same rose.

Changing the subject a bit: tree roses are three different plants - the roots, the stem, and the blooming rose. What rose do they use for the stem?
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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
May 13, 2011 2:30 PM CST

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The reason they used De la Grifferaie was that they only needed two plants. It has strong and tall canes, so they would cut away all but one of those canes and graft the other rose on top.
Name: Jerry
Salem, IL
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Oldgardenrose
May 13, 2011 3:06 PM CST
I googled 'De la Grifferaie' and saw it was a hybrid multiflora which could account for its being in a wooded area. I think I saw another clump near an old railroad steam engine water tank pond. It could have been spread a lot of different ways. The downside is it is a single bloomer and the blossoms shatter after a couple of days. I do consider it to be a lucky find.
Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
May 13, 2011 5:09 PM CST
I have a tree rose that has Dr Huey rootstock. What is its stem likely to be?
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Name: Jerry
Salem, IL
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Oldgardenrose
May 13, 2011 5:23 PM CST
Zuzu had it right. This link may give you some insight on how and why certain roses are used for grafting.

http://www.ehow.com/list_7672600_roses-used-grafting.html
Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
May 13, 2011 9:48 PM CST
Interesting, thanks.
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Name: Mike Stewart
Lower Hudson Valley, NY (Zone 6b)
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Mike
May 14, 2011 7:20 AM CST
Great article - I didn't know that about standards.
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Pocono Mountains, PA
Andi
May 16, 2011 12:02 AM CST
Jerry, the sample that you sent me survived! This winter, I put a post by it so that it didn't get lost or stepped on before protecting it with peat. It is growing and setting leaves now. It is about 8" tall at the moment. (Obviously, I removed the winter protection)

My end of year special yellow tree peony survived also. I had seen it blooming at the pricey nursery near my home. Once it was done blooming, it was put on special for $20. I offered $10 and they accepted it! Early this spring, I was worried because the tops looked brown, but new growth sprouted lower on the plant. It had a matching stick and peat. I saw lots of die back on everything this winter, but most survived. It is wonderful to see green leaves instead of black sticks in the spring. Thanks to everyone who helped me to learn how to select roses that would survive!

One yellow rose on my wish list is Austin's buttercup. Not a typical Austin, but very attractive. I LOVE blue flowers planted with yellow roses. My kitchen is blue and yellow also.
Name: Jerry
Salem, IL
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Oldgardenrose
May 17, 2011 4:47 PM CST
Glad to see your sprout lived. It should be ready to bloom next year if it has a chance to put out a good root system this year.

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