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Jul 11, 2020 4:44 PM CST
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Name: Kevin Langley
London UK (Zone 6b)
Who else likes the Ficus Benjamina?

I've been wanting an indoor tree for sometime and every tree that I find desirable doesn't do well indoors or requires a lot of light and since I've been getting very into house plants, I've been looking at the Ficus variety and I'm very into making bonsai trees as well as indoor plants.

There were three Ficus plants that stood out from the rest for possible candidates for indoor tree bonsai making, they were the Fiddle Leaf Fig, Ficus Microcarpa "Moclame" and finally the Ficus Benjamina.

I think the Ficus Benjamina would work best as it has smaller leafs and looks more desirable as a natural looking tree and a thick trunk can be achieved perfect for a bonsai.

The Ficus Microcarpa "Moclame" is also another great looking tree but likes more light than the Ficus Benjamina. The Fiddle Leaf Fig has to much of a thin trunk with big leaves. I've never been a fan of the braided trunk look I prefer more natural looking trees like what you'd see in nature. Not sure what to make of the Fiddle Leaf Fig at this point.

I recently bought a Ficus Benjamina plant although this one will be left as is until it grows larger as its only a young plant and fairly small.

My friend works in an office which has a huge Ficus Benjamina plant which is top heavy and falls over a lot and in desperate need of a prune, it also has some nice thick branches on it perfect for bonsai making. I'm not sure when I'll be able to get those cuttings due to all this virus stuff going on but hopefully I'll be able to get some before Christmas.

There is so much that can be done with Ficus Benjamina plants, who else likes them?
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Jul 11, 2020 8:00 PM CST
Name: Al F.
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I'm thinking you didn't mean to mention F lyrata as a bonsai candidate due to the large leaf size.

I have several of the species plant F benjamina, a forest of F benjamina "Variegata", and a number of F benjamina "Too Little", as well as a number of F microcarpa, F deltoidea, several F salicifolia/nerifolia, F nitida, and probably at lease a couple of others I'm missing at the moment. There is very little difference in the cultural wants of the genus - all my trees are in full sun all summer and under lights in winter. None of the species tolerate wet feet well, so avoid advice to "water when the top inch or two of the soil is dry" or anything similar. What's important is how moist the soil is deep in the pot, and this can be determined by using a "tell". Trees don't dip their roots in water and sip it up, they absorb water as vapor from the pores between soil particles or a molecule at a time from the microscopically thin layer of water that coats soil particles in damp or moist soils. Any water that collects between soil particles to form a saturated layer of soil near the pot's bottom will always be a limiting factor and soils that support this perched water table should be avoided to the greatest degree possible - especially those growing in shallow pots. For soil moisture, the operative words are moist or damp, never wet or soggy.

I highly recommend Foliage-Pro 9-3-6 as your 'go to' fertilizer for potted trees and houseplants. It has all nutrients essential to normal growth and doesn't derive any of its N from urea. Nitrate sources of N are easier on the plant, far less likely to cause ammonium toxicity when soils are overly hot or cool, or waterlogged. Ammonium toxicity in containerized plants is a rather common problem though it usually doesn't get diagnosed or is diagnosed as another issue altogether.

Using a 'tell'
Over-watering saps vitality and is one of the most common plant assassins, so learning to avoid it is worth the small effort. Plants make and store their own energy source – photosynthate - (sugar/glucose). Functioning roots need energy to drive their metabolic processes, and in order to get it, they use oxygen to burn (oxidize) their food. From this, we can see that terrestrial plants need plenty of air (oxygen) in the soil to drive root function. Many off-the-shelf soils hold too much water and not enough air to support the kind of root health most growers would like to see; and, a healthy root system is a prerequisite to a healthy plant.
Watering in small sips leads to avoid over-watering leads to a residual build-up of dissolved solids (salts) in the soil from tapwater and fertilizer solutions, which limits a plant's ability to absorb water – so watering in sips simply moves us to the other horn of a dilemma. It creates another problem that requires resolution. Better, would be to simply adopt a soil that drains well enough to allow watering to beyond the saturation point, so we're flushing the soil of accumulating dissolved solids whenever we water; this, w/o the plant being forced to pay a tax in the form of reduced vitality, due to prolong periods of soil saturation. Sometimes, though, that's not a course we can immediately steer, which makes controlling how often we water a very important factor.
In many cases, we can judge whether or not a planting needs watering by hefting the pot. This is especially true if the pot is made from light material, like plastic, but doesn't work (as) well when the pot is made from heavier material, like clay, or when the size/weight of the pot precludes grabbing it with one hand to judge its weight and gauge the need for water.
Fingers stuck an inch or two into the soil work ok for shallow pots, but not for deep pots. Deep pots might have 3 or more inches of soil that feels totally dry, while the lower several inches of the soil is 100% saturated. Obviously, the lack of oxygen in the root zone situation can wreak havoc with root health and cause the loss of a very notable measure of your plant's potential. Inexpensive watering meters don't even measure moisture levels, they measure electrical conductivity. Clean the tip and insert it into a cup of distilled water and witness the fact it reads 'DRY'.
One of the most reliable methods of checking a planting's need for water is using a 'tell'. You can use a bamboo skewer in a pinch, but a wooden dowel rod of about 5/16" (75-85mm) would work better. They usually come 48" (120cm) long and can usually be cut in half and serve as a pair. Sharpen all 4 ends in a pencil sharpener and slightly blunt the tip so it's about the diameter of the head on a straight pin. Push the wooden tell deep into the soil. Don't worry, it won't harm the root system. If the plant is quite root-bound, you might need to try several places until you find one where you can push it all the way to the pot's bottom. Leave it a few seconds, then withdraw it and inspect the tip for moisture. For most plantings, withhold water until the tell comes out dry or nearly so. If you see signs of wilting, adjust the interval between waterings so drought stress isn't a recurring issue.

Al
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Aug 27, 2020 2:54 AM CST
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Name: Kevin Langley
London UK (Zone 6b)
Well I don't think I'm going to be able to get my ficus benjamina thick cutting for a bonsai from the office as it may not ever be open again and I have no idea whats going to happen to the plants in there.

They have two very nice plants I'd like to rescue, hopefully they wont end up in a skip somewhere because they are fantastic specimens with some age to them and have nice thick stems and trunks but oh well not much I can do.

A little while ago, I bought a ficus benjamina from a grocery store and a small piece broke off as I was bringing it home so I put the small broken piece in some water and its grown roots so this will become a ficus benjamina bonsai which I will be starting off in this tiny pot, then once the root system is established, it will go into a bonsai planter.

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Aug 27, 2020 5:09 PM CST
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Thumbs up That little Weeping Fig (Ficus benjamina 'Variegata') has a nice root system started! I hope you will keep us updated on how your Bonsai experiment goes! I tried Bonsai once years ago when I was young, I don't recall what little tree it was that I used but it was fun pruning and wiring the branches.
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Aug 27, 2020 5:38 PM CST
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I love the ficus benjamina 'Variegata'! I have one in the greenhouse that is about 15 years old. The last 5 years it has been planted in my greenhouse in the soil. It is now about 8 ft tall and maybe 5 ft wide! I have to keep clipping it to keep it in bounds, but the cuttings root most of the time.
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Aug 27, 2020 5:53 PM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
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I have one sitting outside my screen room that's half dead from neglect. I think I'll make myself a note to go out tomorrow and tend to it.
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Sep 2, 2020 1:18 PM CST
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Name: Kevin Langley
London UK (Zone 6b)
I thought I'd give a quick update.

My future bonsai still looks the same happily in a sunny window. I have been experimenting with a non variegated verity of a ficus benjamina in lower light and its been somewhat unhappy so that has been placed in a sunny window. I do love my ficus benjaminas so even the ones I'm using as lab rats will always be promptly moved before any sign of total decline.

Well I love many house plants and I have many lab rat plants of all kinds but can't stand to see any suffer so all plants get moved at the first sign of unhappiness. I think its good to experiment with light conditions because you just never know how well a plant can do in certain areas of a home. Also I get educated at the same time from experience. Its very well learning about things and looking things up but experimentation is always the key to success.
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Sep 4, 2020 3:18 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Kevin Langley
London UK (Zone 6b)
Here is a photo of the mother plant which is surprisingly growing quite fast, it was half the size of this when I bought it.

The little bonsai cutting dropped a couple of its baby leafs.

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Sep 4, 2020 3:45 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Kevin Langley
London UK (Zone 6b)
Here is another one of my Benjaminas plus another cutting I did from this plant.

This plant isn't as big and lost a quite a few leafs from being moved about I guess they dont like being moved about but is now staying next to my other Ficus Benjamina seeing as that one is doing so well.

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as you can see the small cutting is starting to form some roots.
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Sep 17, 2020 12:41 PM CST
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Name: Kevin Langley
London UK (Zone 6b)
Update: unfortunately the bonsai cutting started going down hill once it was transplanted into soil and its lost all of its leafs with one remaining. It looked a bit dry so I've given it a good watering. It may just die and come back as a smaller plant, who knows. Its by a window and getting plenty of light with the mother plant. I'll leave it alone and if its completely dead by next month I'll chuck it. I have another cutting rooting.

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Sep 25, 2020 1:40 AM CST
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Name: Kevin Langley
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Update:

Unfortunately the bonsai cutting lost all of its leaves and completely died. I think it must have been the transition of it being in water to compost. It might have also needed more time in the water, it could have been to early. Next time I'll root the cutting in compost instead of water.

Here is a photo of my other cutting but I'll leave this one in water for longer until the roots are much bigger.

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Dec 15, 2022 2:09 PM CST
Name: Al F.
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A picture story.

This F benjamina was started over 30 years ago from/ with 5 cuttings in a 3" pot for $.37. The original cuttings have inosculated (fused) and several more were added (clones of the original cuttings) and have also fused to make an interesting trunk.
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I removed the foliage because it makes it easier to prune and wire. This can be done to most species of Ficus, if they are in good health, as a way to build ramification (branch and leaf density), or simply to force the tree to produce a new flush of pristine growth which is perfectly adapted to making most efficient use of the light it receives.
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Here, the tree has been pruned and wired, its bones made clearer now that the clutter is gone.
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In the last image, the tree is leafing out again and quickly recovering from the heavy work.
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Al
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Dec 27, 2022 11:01 AM CST
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This little fella, the giant tree of the mini garden, may not still be with us. All of the leaves are black after the cold spell the past week. I definitely appreciated it.
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Dec 27, 2022 2:28 PM CST
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Looking rough today.
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Dec 27, 2022 3:15 PM CST
Name: Al F.
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How cold did it get? I bet it bounces back.

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Dec 27, 2022 3:31 PM CST
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It has recovered from less damage before, but IDK about this time. It was 4 nights in the teens and 2 days when the high was below freezing. I'm good with either result. It's about time to replace the soil and that big tree would have given me a rash for sure, trying to wrestle with it.
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Dec 27, 2022 8:00 PM CST
Name: Al F.
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Yeah - maybe not. The top's likely a goner, but if the roots didn't freeze .... is it up against the house? That would be helpful insofar as keeping the roots warm. I knew you guys got socked with some cold weather, but didn't realize it was quite that cold. It was cold here in MI, and we were pretty much in the center of the vortex, but only got a few inches + the drifting, so just another snow storm for us. Happens all the time in the Saginaw River Valley. Good luck with Benny!

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Dec 28, 2022 8:51 AM CST
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Thank you : ) It wasn't record-setting cold on any of the days, but I think 4 nights in a row in the teens was some kind of record. It is against the house but would have been better on the S side instead of the E side because the wind from the north was blowing on it for days. The room it was outside of struggled stay above 50 for a couple days. Just not equipped to combat that kind of cold in our vintage house, only 2 rooms have a formal heat source. The wind just kept coming through. Some of our winter weeds are even damaged. Never seen that before.
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Jan 11, 2023 1:26 AM CST
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I have a variegata, I inherited it a few years ago.
It was doing pretty well for a year or so and growing really well but needed repotting early last year as it was too top heavy (4ft+), now I think it has a vendetta against me.
I'm starting to think it eyes me enjoying a bit of free time and the clean floor around it, so decides it wants to see me up and about with a dust pan and brush!

It's obviously not 100% happy, it's still producing a fair few new leaves but it's not hanging onto them for long.
It also now has plenty of straggly little leafless branches in between some of the thicker branches, these thicker branches do seem to hang on to the leaves for longer though.

I have slowly introduced a full spectrum light (Mother Life) a few hours a day this year over our dark winter days.
The plant is in a SE facing full length window which is ok for light in the mornings, so the light is on just a few hours in the afternoon and it has responded well to it, but it's still a bit sulky.

I think I made a mistake when repotting, wrong soil or something.
The pot has plenty of drainage holes and I have recently started using the stick trick (many thanks Tapla), it stays pretty wet lower in the pot, even after I've reduced the watering.
I think the soil is holding on to too much water and the roots are staying a little too wet, so I might have another go at the potting with more suitable soil. (I didn't really know what it needed at the time, I'm not really green fingered).

Question I have now is what to do about the straggly little branches.
Leave them and hope it responds to a change in soil or prune some/all of them out?
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Jan 11, 2023 9:30 AM CST
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Hi & welcome! A pic would be helpful. Are most of the roots in the bottom of the pot? If not, it may just be getting too dry.
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