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Nov 15, 2012 1:39 AM CST
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Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
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I know the Genus is Philodendron but Species Glare could some one help me out please.
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2)

3)

There are 28 pages of listings in the DataBase Confused
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Masud.
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Nov 15, 2012 6:44 AM CST
Name: Carole
Clarksville, TN (Zone 6b)
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I am not familiar with #1.

#2 is Philodendron bipinnatifidum, I believe.

#3 looks like a variation of Philodendron cordatum.


(Arif, what is the Opuntia in the back to the right in the last photo?)
I garden for the pollinators.
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Nov 15, 2012 7:17 AM CST
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Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Container Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Enjoys or suffers hot summers Multi-Region Gardener
#1 Must be Philodendron xanadu then.
The Opuntia, never thought about my own garden. See if you can make out from the flower please.

Thumb of 2012-11-15/KAMasud/57de39
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Nov 15, 2012 8:06 AM CST
Name: Carole
Clarksville, TN (Zone 6b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages Plant Identifier I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database. Avid Green Pages Reviewer
I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Garden Ideas: Master Level Cat Lover Birds Region: Tennessee Echinacea
Yes, looks like P. xanadu. Smiling

I do like that Opuntia. I only grow three kinds and I don't recognize that bloom ... very pretty ... yellow tinged with pink.
I garden for the pollinators.
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Nov 15, 2012 10:58 AM CST
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Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Container Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Enjoys or suffers hot summers Multi-Region Gardener
Thank you Tee.
Regards,
Arif.
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Nov 15, 2012 11:01 AM CST
Name: Carole
Clarksville, TN (Zone 6b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages Plant Identifier I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database. Avid Green Pages Reviewer
I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Garden Ideas: Master Level Cat Lover Birds Region: Tennessee Echinacea
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Nov 15, 2012 12:26 PM CST
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Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Container Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Enjoys or suffers hot summers Multi-Region Gardener
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Nov 15, 2012 10:58 PM CST
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Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Container Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Enjoys or suffers hot summers Multi-Region Gardener
Opuntia robusta monstrosa
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Nov 16, 2012 3:16 AM CST
Name: Carole
Clarksville, TN (Zone 6b)
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I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Garden Ideas: Master Level Cat Lover Birds Region: Tennessee Echinacea
Thank you for the ID. Beautiful plant. Don't think it's a monstrose form.
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Nov 16, 2012 8:04 AM CST
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Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Container Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Enjoys or suffers hot summers Multi-Region Gardener
I give up, its all yours. That form is most common in this area and I will post two more Opuntias in the morning. Easy to ID but you will again find the same form there,
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Nov 16, 2012 8:19 AM CST
Name: Carole
Clarksville, TN (Zone 6b)
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Perhaps it is a matter of language and semantics.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/...
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Nov 16, 2012 8:41 AM CST
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Name: Arif Masud
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Language and semantics Confused or forms and shapes or maybe climatic conditions. How much language and semantics can be involved with 'oval', 'round', 'oblong' Blinking
Never mind.
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Nov 16, 2012 8:49 AM CST
Name: Carole
Clarksville, TN (Zone 6b)
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I understand.
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Nov 16, 2012 11:21 AM CST
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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I looked at a lot of Opuntias, there's so many of them! One thing which caught my attention is the two spines, where photos of Opuntia robusta appear to have more. I know the number of spines can vary, but how much? I found one called Opuntia bispinosa, which has varying coloured flowers but I found one which does look like yours Masud, if it's correctly named.

http://www.opuntias.co.uk/pres...

http://fotoalbum.seniorennet.b...

The site above has several pages of Opuntia..

http://fotoalbum.seniorennet.b...

According to the Plant list, Opuntia bispinosa is a synonym of Opuntia anacantha var. utkilio.

http://www.theplantlist.org/tp...

http://www.desert-tropicals.co...

The straight species appears to have orange flowers so that would explain the different flower colour.

http://cactiguide.com/cactus/?...

http://www.google.co.uk/search...

Of course I could be wrong! Hilarious!

Opuntia robusta monstrosa doesn't seem to fit.

http://www.google.co.uk/search...
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Nov 16, 2012 11:34 AM CST
Name: Carole
Clarksville, TN (Zone 6b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages Plant Identifier I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database. Avid Green Pages Reviewer
I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Garden Ideas: Master Level Cat Lover Birds Region: Tennessee Echinacea
That was my point with the definition of "monstrose" in post 11 above. The plant doesn't look like a monstrose at all to me. But, of course, I could be wrong.
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Nov 16, 2012 1:45 PM CST
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Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Container Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Enjoys or suffers hot summers Multi-Region Gardener
Janet, last twelve hours this monstrose has been following me I agree its not a monstrose. Thumbs up
Two spines. I agree that mine are showing two spines but let me check up in the morning. Lower down it does not have just two but a cluster. Let me check and i will post the photographs but these sites are not in vain, I have two other Opuntias which have to be ID'd and all this will help.
Tee, you are 100% correct what ever has been placed so far says that. Thumbs up
Janet, your evening is young while mine is way past midnight so you give them company.
Good night ALL of you Lovey dubby
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Masud.
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Nov 16, 2012 4:50 PM CST
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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That sounds painful Masud, being followed by a montrose! Rolling on the floor laughing

This key might help, I tried checking boxes and got 34 matches but they need to be googled. I checked both 2 and 3 for the spines, 2 cm length which I'm not sure about.

http://www.discoverlife.org/20...

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Nov 17, 2012 7:39 PM CST
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis,MN, USA z4b,Dfb/a
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Everything you ever wanted to know about the species (yes, the species) Philodendron xanadu, and more:
http://www.exoticrainforest.co...

Unless your a taxonomy nut like me, you'll probably not want to read it all, so I'll summarize:

Philodendron xanadu is a species, not a cultivar, not a variety, not a sport, not any kind of mutation. It is native to Brazil. There are no native philodendrons in Australia, contrary to several website informations. The plant patent given for P. 'Xanadu' is being re examined. The link I gave above shows mostly adult foliage forms of the species, and one juvenile form. As with many houseplants, it is the juvenile form that is usually distributed in commerce, and it is this form that KAMasud shows in photo #1.
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Nov 17, 2012 9:43 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Container Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Enjoys or suffers hot summers Multi-Region Gardener
Rick wonderful site, lot of detailed information. No one said that this was a Australian native. Any way, I have a problem. If I put Philo's in the ground they try their best to take over and overpower everything else. In the pot it does not show its proper size or shape, what to do? Enjoy their true shape in the ground or keep them under control in pots. I think i will reduce the soil content and increase autumn crushed dry leaf content. Try to provide them the rich leaf litter environment in the pot.
Janet your ID about two thorns was correct. How do you do it, I think sixth sense is also involved. It is just not possible to garden and not to meditate. I tip my hat to you.
Regards,
Masud.
PS. I am sick and tired of the Acacia and Pinus story for the time being. Let me meditate and freshen up then we will take a fresh look at that.
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Nov 18, 2012 4:46 AM CST
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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Masud, I can't be 100% certain. I have been looking at fine detail and shapes for sooooo long that I have developed a good eye for it. Apart from that, I don't usually give up until I'm satisfied I have found what I want.

I agree with the Pinus and Acacia, it may be we will never find the truth. I may go through the list on the Wattle site sometime.

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