Ziziphus growing in the wild can have different species but what about cultivars prepared by breeding and selection. What to do with a cultivar?


The above cultivar is known as "Show berri" now where to place it? There must be quite a few cultivars in Pakistan, India, Bangladesh and Africa.
Regards,
Masud.

If you're certain of the name of a cultivar, you can propose the addition of a new database entry with that name.

zuzu I am sure of the name. I brought the subject up because I suddenly realised that this part of the world has a lot of cultivars of this plant(not just Daylilies). "Show berri" as the name suggests was developed for show. Big, good looking leaves and fruit/drupe is about two inches long and one and half inch in diameter, elongated. Then there is "Sindhi berri", drupe is round, big less then two inches in diameter. I will now be on the look out for this one to send to data base. India has at least eight that I know. About Africa and Bangladesh I have no idea.
Regards,
Masud.
PS. Put out an appeal for pictures of Ziziphus cultivars and get them involved. That's for those who ask me where are the others.

There are over 400 known cultivars of jujube, though few are cultivated in the U.S. Also, there are 20 species of Ziziphus of which three species are native to the U.S.)
known cultivars of jujube, though few are cultivated in the U.S. Also, there are 20 species of Ziziphus of which three species are native to the U.S.)

http://www.hort.purdue.edu/new...
http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/ju...

Thank you Lynn but cultivars from other parts of the world, where to place them and how or just dump them in the Genus and let people worry what on earth is going on? Ziziphus zizyphus leaves are about the size of a big toe nail while Zizphus nummularia leaves are my small finger nail size, maybe your index finger. The one above, the leaves go up to five inches. From now on I am going to carry a steel ruler and hooks, never thought about this aspect.
Regards,
Masud.

This one will be done as soon as it completed passing with the moderator. Photos and data info. Indian Jujube (Ziziphus mauritiana)
I will work a little at a time to help.

You want me to place it there? Ok but pretty soon I will also post the photographs of ripe ones with a straight edge next to them. Then we can discuss further.
Regards,
Masud.

Opps, no I don't know if yours is the same one.

Almost did but as I have been busy transplanting my Pansy''s I forgot. Thank you.
Regards,
Masud.

I am having trouble finding cultivars of Ziziphus.

KAMasud said:
Thank you Lynn but cultivars from other parts of the world, where to place them and how or just dump them in the Genus and let people worry what on earth is going on? Ziziphus zizyphus leaves are about the size of a big toe nail while Zizphus nummularia leaves are my small finger nail size, maybe your index finger. The one above, the leaves go up to five inches. From now on I am going to carry a steel ruler and hooks, never thought about this aspect.
Regards,
Masud.

The basis of any ID is to figure out the species first from its characteristics. Cultivars are usually variations within a species or hybrid, or particular forms selected for propagation. The problem with cultivars is that the characteristics that are supposed to make it different from the straight species and other cultivars are rarely documented in any way that allows reliable IDs to be made (an exception is sometimes for patented plants, where detailed descriptions are submitted). To designate a plant as a certain cultivar means, first, that it is the species or hybrid that the cultivar is derived from.
If the species can't be figured out for these plants, it would be legitimate to add each of them as "Zizyphus sp.".

Great explanation Lori.

A beginning:
Zizphus abyssinica http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z...
http://www.ville-ge.ch/musinfo...

Here we put those photos for which we have no species of the plant under the genus entry or under the parent plant (PP) entry, if there is one.

Should this entry be made the parent plant entry? Ziziphus

I think so ... as soon as some of the data is filled in.

If you have a lot of information that applies to every Ziziphus, you can ask Dave to turn it into a parent plant entry and add the information to every Ziziphus in our database, but otherwise it's just the genus entry and will serve well for photos of undetermined species.

I feel like a stalker. Every time I add a post to a thread, I find that someone else preceded me while I was typing.

But you are a very helpful stalker of the best kind Zuzu.

zuzu said:If you have a lot of information that applies to every Ziziphus, you can ask Dave to turn it into a parent plant entry and add the information to every Ziziphus in our database, but otherwise it's just the genus entry and will serve well for photos of undetermined species.

zuzu, could you send me a list of information required or is it posted some where? I can provide feedback for zizyphus, nummularia, show berri. Growing conditions are the same the difference lies in the physical appearance of the individual species, the fruit, taste of fruit, size of leaves, size of fruits, grows erect or prostate(nummularia).
How do you differentiate in-between day lilies and between roses except photographs and their general appearance plus hocus pocus about patient numbers. Where do you get that in a country where people still put their thumb or great toe mark on documents. This is the work of uneducated(genius) farmers/gardeners plus what tricks their great grandparents passed on. No documentation and no theory books.
Regards,
Masud.