Plant Database forum: Aloinopsis thudichumii

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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Nov 30, 2012 3:45 PM CST
I am needing some help on this plant. I do find it all over the internet, but don't find it at ITIS at all. Not even Aloinopsis is found there.

I want to add it to the database but not sure how it should be named?
Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Nov 30, 2012 3:52 PM CST

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It isn't on GRIN either, but The Plant List says it's a synonym of Deilanthe thudichumii. I added it to the Deilanthe entry.

Deilanthe thudichumii
Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Nov 30, 2012 3:57 PM CST

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These conflicting sources are so irritating. ITIS has no record of Aloinopsis or Deilanthe. GRIN says the Deilanthe genus is now only a synonym of the Aloinopsis genus, and neither genus has any accepted species. Angry
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Nov 30, 2012 6:21 PM CST
That was the same problem I was running into, so had to stop and ask for help in doing the right thing. Thank you so much Zuzu. Group hug

So should all the Aloinopsis be changed to Delianthe with a synonym of Aloinopsis?
Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Nov 30, 2012 7:30 PM CST

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No, Lin. I'm afraid it will be the other way around. It's more likely that all of the Deilanthes will have to be reclassified as synonyms of Aloinopsis. GRIN says, citing a 1997 source, that the following genera are now synonyms of Aloinopsis: Acaulon, Aistocaulon, Deilanthe, and Prepodesma. I want to see this confirmed by more than one source before taking action, however. For now, we'll just leave these genera the way The Plant List has them categorized.
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Nov 30, 2012 7:33 PM CST
I see Aloinopsis thudichumii under this name all over the web. Should it have that designation in our plant database? I know that is what it is sold as.
Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Nov 30, 2012 7:39 PM CST

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At this point, I'm leaving it as a synonym of Deilanthe thudichumii. If anyone searches for it, it will show up.

I'm wary of taking GRIN's word that the opposite is true -- that Deilanthe is a synonym of Aloinopsis -- because GRIN doesn't recognize any species names for either of these genera. We need a more comprehensive source.
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Nov 30, 2012 7:41 PM CST
Thumbs up Makes sense.
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KAMasud
Dec 1, 2012 11:13 PM CST

zuzu when you find a comprehensive and reputable source, please let some of us also know. It is very frustrating trying to ID plants when no two sources agree and false ID's are the norm.
Regards,
Masud.
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Dec 1, 2012 11:21 PM CST
I agree
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zuzu
Dec 1, 2012 11:27 PM CST

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I'll shout it from the rooftops. Smiling
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Dec 1, 2012 11:43 PM CST
Hurray! Thumbs up
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growitall
Dec 2, 2012 12:20 AM CST
It's probably very unlikely that any of these databases is comprehensive or can be assumed to be a finished product. It seems that ITIS is the favoured database here but, for example, it lists only one species of Onosma. Confused
Is it possible in ITIS to see which species, subspecies, etc. have been subsumed under its currently accepted species?


P. S. Using italics seems to cause words to show up out of line for some reason... ?
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