Cactus and Tender Succulents forum: which way should succulent leaves lay when being propagated

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Name: Jelinda AKA jojoe Ivey
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jojoe
Dec 2, 2012 10:25 AM CST
I had a succulent that i was waiting until it got mature enough to ask for an ID.My grandson pulled every leaf off of it. Grumbling Thumb of 2012-12-02/jojoe/c24215
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This was one of my favorite succulents and i never got it IDed,i am hoping to propagate the leaves and maybe end up with more than one of them.

When i lay the leaves on the soil which way is the best way to lay them with the flat side down or the fat side down.It's not necessary to put the ends into the soil right??
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SongofJoy
Dec 2, 2012 10:31 AM CST
Try placing half of them flat side down and half fat side down and see which do best for you. No, don't bury them in soil. They should put out some little roots at the end that was attached to the plant.

I can't tell for sure what color your plant is/was so makes it tough to identify. Is it red or brownish-red or ?
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plantladylin
Dec 2, 2012 7:03 PM CST
SongofJoy said: No, don't bury them in soil. They should put out some little roots at the end that was attached to the plant.

Thumbs up Good information, I haven't tried rooting many succulents so I'm glad I saw this post! I would have stuck the bottom edge of the leaf into the soil (the part that was attached to the mother plant.)
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fixpix
Dec 3, 2012 3:17 AM CST
So I take it your grandson is into... propagation?
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Name: Carole
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SongofJoy
Dec 3, 2012 4:18 AM CST
Green Grin!
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Name: Kristi
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pod
Dec 3, 2012 10:05 AM CST
If I can suggest lay them with the side up that is normally up. That side is the one that absorbs sunlight under normal conditions. Although I think they will sprout when laying either way, I believe right side up will be less stressful on the plantlets. And Tee is correct, don't bury them.

And boy, oh boy will you have a collection of succulents if these all root. Good luck... K
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SongofJoy
Dec 3, 2012 10:25 AM CST
They aren't difficult to root at all but (personally) I wouldn't put them in the direct sunlight just yet.

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gg5
Dec 3, 2012 3:17 PM CST
The plant looks like some type of Graptopetalum paraguayense. Here is some info at Dave's garden
http://davesgarden.com/guides/articles/view/2413/#b
Can't wait to see which ones root Smiling
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Name: Carole
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SongofJoy
Dec 4, 2012 4:28 AM CST
I agree
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Name: Kristi
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pod
Dec 4, 2012 7:23 PM CST
I also agree on that ID http://garden.org/plants/search/text.php?q=+graptopetalum&su... It is one of my favorites.

The leaves take on a rosy hue in cooler temps and I have seen summer blooms on one ladys' plant that was really pretty.

But don't feel bad that your grand disassemble it. I lost a large plant one summer that was outside. Took me forever to figure out what was destroying it. It was a dry, dry summer and the birds were eating the leaves for the moisture in them.

And I agree with Tee again, protect them from direct sunlight till they begin to develop.
Name: Jelinda AKA jojoe Ivey
Thomson,Ga. (Zone 8a)
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jojoe
Dec 6, 2012 2:39 PM CST
Kristi,i looked at the link you gave me.Thank you very much for that,there are 2 different listings for the the 'ghost plant' Graptopetalum paraguayense.One was a pale colored plant the other has 1 photo that i believe looks a lot like my plant.Do you know the difference in the 2 different plants or why they have the plant in 2 different listings both under Graptopetalum Paraguayense 'ghost plant'They look different one's pale the other has colors in the leaves.
Ghost Plant (Graptopetalum paraguayense)
Ghost Plant (Graptopetalum paraguayense 'Ghosty')

Here are 2 picture of my plants one i know is a Ghost plant and never thought the other was as well because of the color in the leaves but i guess now maybe the one my grandson dissembled may have been one as well.I would like to find more info on growing these outside here.I try to get succulent i can plant outside,i do have to really look or know what i'm looking for when i go shopping and not shop to see what i can find.I have a lot of plants inside from doing that.

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Looking at the plants side by side you can see the likeness but also the color in one and the paleness of the other.
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Name: Arif Masud
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KAMasud
Dec 11, 2012 5:46 AM CST
Just out of interest, will these root in the middle of winter with no humidity or is it just a matter of flogging a dead horse?
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Masud.
Tee Rolling my eyes. .
Name: Carole
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SongofJoy
Dec 11, 2012 7:12 AM CST
Good question, Masud. Since everyone's growing conditions are different, I can only report on what has worked for me. There is certainly more than one "right way". Her zone is warmer than mine and I don't know where she has her tender succulents.. Right now I have my tender succulents inside where some of them are happily putting out new growth, blooming and rooting. Others are in their resting phase for the winter (notably the Euphorbias). Some succulent leaves such as the ones she has shown can lay on top of the soil for a very long time (months) and they will either root or wither, shrivel and go back into the soil. I've never found humidity to be a big factor with mine. Others may have a different experience.



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gg5
Dec 11, 2012 6:03 PM CST
Tee I agree (other than watering too much!)
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Name: Arif Masud
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KAMasud
Dec 11, 2012 11:47 PM CST
Tee Lovey dubby , that is exactly what my experience is, they wither, shrivel and one day go back into the soil, this time of the year. Basically it is from Aloe family and full of water, what happens to the water when temps are below freezing. Remember there is no metabolism going on in a separated leaf. How about putting the pot into a ziplock bag? No experience with this procedure since I propagate(plants) in spring, so no comments. Can they be preserved in bags in the vegetable crisper until spring when every thing goes mad over propagation(plants)?
Regards,
Masud.
Name: Jelinda AKA jojoe Ivey
Thomson,Ga. (Zone 8a)
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jojoe
Dec 12, 2012 10:15 AM CST
Our winters are very short and not very cold.It's been in the mid 70's - low 80's during the day & 50's at night.I still have plants outside blooming.Since the leaves i'm propagating don't need a lot of light while waiting on roots to grow,there's no problem keeping them in the house.By the time they will need light they will most likely be back outside.

These were put into this pot in August & now are under grow lights.I lightly mist them about every 2 weeks not getting to much water on the original leaf.Only 1 leaf has softened & is getting mushy,it never grew roots very well.
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I am hoping when you click this picture to blow it up, you will be able to see there is at least 2 leaves that have new growth.I put them 2 in this pot about a month ago.This pot is what i used all summer to put leaves i knocked off while re-potting,plants that were broken in half when young or the tops broke out of etc... You can see all the different size plants,some ready for their own pots.These are plants from as long ago as last spring to a month ago.
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I have a place outside that i re-pot my plants,i have a habit of dropping leaves on the ground to one end of the table.Last week-end while clean the yard i found 6 succulent leaves i had dropped onto the ground had rooted and had new growth on them. Shrug! I guess you never know what's possible until you try!!

Have a nice day
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Name: Carole
Clarksville, TN (Zone 6b)
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SongofJoy
Dec 12, 2012 11:53 AM CST
Looking good, jojoe. Smiling
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gg5
Dec 12, 2012 12:22 PM CST
Looks great Jojoe, you're going to have a whole yard full of succulents!!! Hurray!
Greg
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Name: Arif Masud
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KAMasud
Dec 12, 2012 7:14 PM CST
Hurray! Quite possibly, take over the yard leaving no place for humans.
Sorry, the zone is marked 8a and the feed back I have been getting Confused . I am in zone 9 and the minimum temps go down to a high 20'sF but with a strange twist. The super cold breeze that flows down from the mountains can give a wind chill factor of sub zero F.
Regards,
Masud.
Tee, got some red Hydra's, want some cuttings? nodding
Name: Carole
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SongofJoy
Dec 13, 2012 4:15 AM CST
I wish I could. nodding
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