Roses forum: will the real Angela please stand up?

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Richmond TX (Zone 9a)
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vossner
Jun 10, 2011 11:25 AM CST
I got Angela from the Vintage/Eurodessert sale. It bloomed today, a blush color and as I was preparing to post a pic I realized that:
a) there are two Angelas, both hybridized by R. Kordes. Diff years, diff color, diff parentage

My Angela arrived very healthy but very young, too young to be planted inground now. It has been in a shaded spot so I'm assuming the blush color on the bloom is due to lack of full sun. Based on bloom shape, I think mine is the one introduced in 1984. Any opinions and.or experience w/ this floribunda? Thumb of 2011-06-10/vossner/b6e1cd

I can understand two different hybridizers using the same name for their roses, but the same hybridizer using the same name for two diff. roses seems a little crazy. Any comments on this?
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Skiekitty
Jun 10, 2011 11:35 AM CST
I've found that the German hybridizers did that a lot! Makes it for confusionville for dummies like me!

Maybe the blush will get more pronounced as it ages? You know, like how Mardi Gras starts out orange & ends out hot pink? Plus maybe it's too cool as you know that roses look different when it's cool versus when it's hot? I know that George Burns, which is supposed to be red/yellow was always creamy white/red because of the heat.
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Richmond TX (Zone 9a)
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vossner
Jun 10, 2011 11:48 AM CST
yeah, I def. think it's weather related. I have moved it to a sunnier spot but not too much, that thing is tiny! Want to take good care of it as it is my mother's namesake.
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Skiekitty
Jun 10, 2011 12:44 PM CST
Ooh, good luck to you.. I don't do well with the teeny ones!! Sad
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zuzu
Jun 10, 2011 3:43 PM CST

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It has to be the 1984 one, Nery, because Vintage lists "Angelica" as a synonym and this is the only one that's known as Angelica and Angela.

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.250.1&tab=1

Don't worry about the maiden bloom being so light. This is a story I've repeated here many times (probably too many times), but the first bloom on my Rainbow Sorbet was stark white, although it actually looks like this:

http://cubits.org/roses/db/rosedatabase/view/8101/

As for the Kordes group, they are ridiculous about names. I remember Palatine selling three different Kordes roses named Cinderella a couple of years ago.
Richmond TX (Zone 9a)
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vossner
Jun 11, 2011 7:13 AM CST
TY both for your comments. Do you know that my Mom is known as Angela as well as Angelica? When I noticed on HMF that this rose goes by both names I decided this rose had to be in my garden. In addition to this coincidence, I found a salvia name San Carlos Festival, same color pink. I got it b/c her husband's name is Carlos. It was an unexpected/happy coincidence that I found the salvia the same day I found Angela. I was not actively looking but I knew instantly that I had to get the Carlos salvia. They will be planted close together. She will be so thrilled when I send her a pic of the two plants together, hopefully blooming at the same time. This will be a mini surprise for her, hopefully next spring.
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porkpal
Jun 11, 2011 8:35 AM CST
How neat! Send us pictures too.
Porkpal
Richmond TX (Zone 9a)
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vossner
Jun 12, 2011 9:55 AM CST
all I have for now ;-)Thumb of 2011-06-12/vossner/6a4cf9
Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Jun 12, 2011 12:09 PM CST
Very funny!
Porkpal

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