Plant ID forum: Which pine, please?; Austrian Pine (Pinus nigra)

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Name: Michele Roth
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chelle
Jan 1, 2013 8:07 PM CST
Growing in zone 5b, northeastern Indiana.
Tree has been growing here for 12+ years.

Pinus strobus, Pinus nigra, or???




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It appears to me that its needles are in groups of two, which makes me think it's Pinus nigra. What do you think?
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Name: John
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ViburnumValley
Jan 1, 2013 8:24 PM CST
As I often say...show us the whole plant! And - are there any cones present (on tree or on the ground)?

Groups of two eliminates Eastern White Pine (Pinus strobus) because its needles are in bundles of five, but it could also include Red Pine (Pinus resinosa) and Scots Pine (Pinus sylvestris). Scots Pine has much shorter needles than Red Pine or Austrian Pine.

Most likely your suspicion of Austrian Pine (Pinus nigra) is correct, as that is one of the most common landscape pines for that part of the country.
John
Name: Michele Roth
N.E. Indiana - Zone 5b
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chelle
Jan 1, 2013 8:33 PM CST
Thanks, John.

I don't have a picture of the entire plant in hand; it's deer-damaged and rather misshapen. I can, however, get one tomorrow if necessary.

It came from the Arbor Day Foundation, so I'm sifting through their offerings to narrow things down a bit. Smiling
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Name: Michele Roth
N.E. Indiana - Zone 5b
I'm always on my way out the door..
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chelle
Jan 2, 2013 9:54 AM CST
It's 14 degrees here, and feels like 6 with the breeze...brrr!

Here's some frozen-fresh pictures...

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Name: John
Scott County, KY (Zone 5b)
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ViburnumValley
Jan 2, 2013 1:02 PM CST
I'd be confident in saying that is Austrian Pine (Pinus nigra) - definitely two-needled bundles, and much longer needles than Scots Pine. The "tightness" which the needles are held along the branches is typical for Austrian Pine, versus a "looser" way that Red Pine tends to look.

If you dare brave the frozen tundra again...put something in the closeups for scale - a quarter, a finger, a lens cap...

John
Name: Michele Roth
N.E. Indiana - Zone 5b
I'm always on my way out the door..
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Forum moderator Garden Sages Garden Ideas: Master Level Dog Lover Cottage Gardener
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chelle
Jan 2, 2013 3:11 PM CST
Ah! I knew I was forgetting something - scale! *Blush*

Thanks for the help ...and the reminder. Thumbs up




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Name: John
Scott County, KY (Zone 5b)
You can't have too many viburnums..
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ViburnumValley
Jan 2, 2013 5:16 PM CST
At your service... I tip my hat to you.
John

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