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Name: Noel Calvert
Tumaco, Colombia-South America (Zone 13b)
A gringo?Where?(does a doubletake)
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NoelCalvert
Jan 2, 2013 5:14 AM CST
Hello everyone,
I hope everyone had a Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year! I am looking forward to 2013 being very fruitful.
I have some new plants for ID. I would like your help with those as well. In the first set of photos is a strange climber that I would like help ID'ing.
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In the second set of photos is a philodendron (I think) with long thin leaves. That is what I am attempting to ID.
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Sincerely,
Noel Calvert


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Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
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KAMasud
Jan 4, 2013 8:45 AM CST
In photograph four, in the center that pale veined leaf, that is a Philo shape very familiar, these thin leaved ones in the forground? Reminds me of Liana.
Noel, do you have a plant nursery in your area? If so, I think it is about time that you went and paid your respects to the owner and get on friendly terms and conditions with him. Then you can pick his brains for local knowledge and you will find his knowledge to be of great help. These long range expeditions on net are useful but when you are stuck, off the cuff local knowledge is advisable.
Regards,
Arif.
Name: Noel Calvert
Tumaco, Colombia-South America (Zone 13b)
A gringo?Where?(does a doubletake)
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NoelCalvert
Jan 4, 2013 9:27 AM CST
Hello Arif,
I am way ahead of you on the nursery idea, but the locals know very little about the "wild" plants. I am going to be opening my own nursery very soon, & I am actually talking to the owners of the nursery in town about buying property from them for this purpose. Since I will be mainly exporting my business will not hurt theirs. What philodendron did you think these are? I collected the pale one as well. It did not even seem to notice that I moved it to a new location. Hurray!
Once I get this nursery & botanical garden set up here , I would love to invite you & all of ATP that would be interested to come visit the botanical garden. I am looking for Liana now to compare them.
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Name: Evan
Pioneer Valley south, MA, USA (Zone 6a)
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eclayne
Jan 4, 2013 10:24 AM CST

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Enjoying your photos even if I'm no help with ID's. Seeing you in the photos to provide scale always helps. They always seem to be larger than I imagined.
Evan
Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
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KAMasud
Jan 4, 2013 1:38 PM CST
Noel, the local nursery owner may not know the Botanical or English names of plants but he knows them in his local language. He might be illiterate, dirty, smelly but he is in the nursery trade because he has the aptitude and empathy required by plants. What I am trying to explain is if you rope him in and show your photographs, he will easily reduce the pile by half and will also explain to you the reason why. The rest will indeed be worth while but like Evan says we enjoy your pictorial journey. That veined leaf plant that i pointed out, that is a juvenile form of some Philodendron or it is Philodendron bipinnatifidum under low light conditions but you were not concentrating on that one. If you get the chance get a few photographs of that one. As to Lianas, Philodendrons maybe Lianas but not all Lianas are Philodendrons. Check up on net maybe you will find a better explanation then mine.
Regards,
Arif.
Name: Lin
Florida (Zone 9b)
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plantladylin
Jan 4, 2013 3:17 PM CST
I believe photo's #1 & 2 are Syngonium podophyllum.

I'm not sure about photo #3

Photo's 4, 5 & 6 look like Epiphyllum oxypetalum.
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Name: Jonna
Mérida, Yucatán, México (Zone 13a)
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extranjera
Jan 4, 2013 4:36 PM CST
I knew those first two pics looked familiar! I think you are right Lin and they are Syngonium podophyllum in their mature form. They grow wild here in the wetter tropical areas and even in the wet/dry areas but they go dormant or lose their leaves when it is dry.
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Name: Lin
Florida (Zone 9b)
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plantladylin
Jan 4, 2013 4:37 PM CST
Hi Jonna, yes the mature form. The immature form looks totally different and are commonly sold in garden centers as house plants here in the U.S.
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Name: Noel Calvert
Tumaco, Colombia-South America (Zone 13b)
A gringo?Where?(does a doubletake)
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NoelCalvert
Jan 4, 2013 5:37 PM CST
Hello everyone,
Those 1st 2 photos are not Syngonium podophyllum. I have Syngonium podophyllum variegated & solid green in its adult form as well as millions of other opportunities to see it in its mature form. I have photos of the blooms it produces as well. I will upload all I have on those later to show I am not crazy. This plant has a very distinct feature that is different from Syngonium podophyllum. each of the leaflets is actually separated on its own petiole. Syngonium podophyllum does not do that. I will try to get closer photos than I have of that, but I am absolutely sure it is not Syngonium podophyllum.

Arif, I did a search on Lianas & agree that it is a form of those section of plants however that does not lead me toward a name for it. The plant is extraordinary. I would love to know what it is.
The other plant with the long leaves is a liana, or a vine that climbs trees. It does not look anything like Epiphyllum oxypetalum. I appreciate the help, but we are still searching.

Sincerely,
Noel
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Name: Evan
Pioneer Valley south, MA, USA (Zone 6a)
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eclayne
Jan 4, 2013 6:14 PM CST

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Not saying it is S. podophyllum (I have no idea) but I believe it can have separate leaflets.
http://www.aroid.org/genera/syngonium/Pictures/podop.php

or one of the varieties like Syngonium podophyllum var. peliocladum.
"...Adult plants...usually densely covered with brownish projections:... blades trisect to almost 5-lobed,...lateral leaflets free or confluent..."
http://www.aroid.org/genera/syngonium/species/podophyllumvar...
Evan
Name: Lin
Florida (Zone 9b)
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plantladylin
Jan 4, 2013 6:30 PM CST
It just really reminded me of Syngonium podophyllum which is very invasive here in Florida and takes on many different appearances at different stages of growth:

http://plants.ifas.ufl.edu/node/440

How about Epiphyllum rubrocoronatum for the last photo's?

http://cactiguide.com/cactus/?genus=Epiphyllum&species=rubro...
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Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
Native Plants and Wildflowers I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Container Gardener Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Enjoys or suffers hot summers Multi-Region Gardener
KAMasud
Jan 4, 2013 11:04 PM CST
Noel, I only know the Liana's of this area but those separated leaflets are reminding me of some plant. Find out on net which Liana's grow in your area.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schefflera
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=schefflera&hl=en&tbo=u&biw=...
As you can see this plant is also in Liana form. What Liana, if I don't control mine, that's it pssst. Now how to find out which one grows in your exact area, you need some kind of local expertise. How is it possible that there is no one educated or interested in gardening in your area? Be one with nature you are in the correct environment you might even end up meditating, not at all bad. Now ask your wife how is it possible that there is no one at all in the entire area who cannot answer some simple questions? Open your eyes, be aware, you might see a neat garden then catch hold of the person looking after it.
Regards,
Arif.
Name: Jonna
Mérida, Yucatán, México (Zone 13a)
Garden Procrastinator The WITWIT Badge Region: Mexico I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Ponds Tropicals
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extranjera
Jan 5, 2013 12:28 AM CST
I did a short search for tropical plants in colombia in spanish and I found one site that seems good. While it is in spanish, it seems to be an english site - it's possible it is also in english somewhere on the site. Anyway, don't know if you speak spanish or not but your wife should be able to help and there are some good ID pics and you can narrow it to a particular country in latin america. this is the page on philodendron's http://fm2.fieldmuseum.org/plantguides/results.asp?family=&g...

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Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
Native Plants and Wildflowers I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Container Gardener Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Enjoys or suffers hot summers Multi-Region Gardener
KAMasud
Jan 5, 2013 2:55 AM CST
On my computer its in English but to translate this even though it is in English Whistling
http://fm1.fieldmuseum.org/vrrc/?page=results&genus=Philoden...
http://fm1.fieldmuseum.org/vrrc/?page=results&genus=Philoden...
http://fm1.fieldmuseum.org/vrrc/?page=results&genus=Philoden...
According to list, all three reported in Columbia. Noel those dried leaves, when you get tired search for the following on Google maybe you might find some thing fresh.
Philodendron fragrantissimum, Philodendron verrucosum, Philodendron wittianum. The list narrowed it down to these three now its up to you how you proceed further. Thumbs up
Regards,
Arif.
Name: Jonna
Mérida, Yucatán, México (Zone 13a)
Garden Procrastinator The WITWIT Badge Region: Mexico I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Ponds Tropicals
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extranjera
Jan 5, 2013 10:38 AM CST
Ah, now I see up in the corner that you can switch to either spanish, english or portuguese. Mine no doubt set to spanish because of my ip number and I came from a search in spanish.

This is a cool site, here's a link to plants from Colombia. http://fm2.fieldmuseum.org/plantguides/results.asp?family=&c...

A day without sunshine is like, you know, night.
Name: Evan
Pioneer Valley south, MA, USA (Zone 6a)
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eclayne
Jan 5, 2013 10:43 AM CST

Plants Admin

Great link Jonna. Thumbs up
Evan
Name: Noel Calvert
Tumaco, Colombia-South America (Zone 13b)
A gringo?Where?(does a doubletake)
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NoelCalvert
Jan 5, 2013 11:18 AM CST
Hello everyone,
Thanks for all the help. Jonna that is a wonderful link. I was still unable to locate any of these plants, but that is not surprising to me. I am still searching, & I am going to employ my wife's skills in this area. She has some luck searching when I do not.
Noel
Kneel & swear fealty to the Lord Dragon, or you will be knelt! Mazrim Taim
Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
Native Plants and Wildflowers I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Container Gardener Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Enjoys or suffers hot summers Multi-Region Gardener
KAMasud
Jan 6, 2013 1:15 AM CST
Jonna Thumbs up wonderful link.
Regards,
Arif.
Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
Native Plants and Wildflowers I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Container Gardener Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Enjoys or suffers hot summers Multi-Region Gardener
KAMasud
Jan 6, 2013 2:06 AM CST
http://www.flickr.com/photos/plantaspinunsulaosa/7957885920/...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/plantaspinunsulaosa/7957884478/...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/plantaspinunsulaosa/7957886620/...
If you like the above ID of the Liana then here is how I came upon it with the help of Jonna's link. The stems are not green and juicy like Phil's but springy and grey like Ficus. That brought me to the name of Schefflera which belongs to the family of Araliaceae. Sure enough there is a Araliaceae on the list.
http://fm2.fieldmuseum.org/plantguides/results.asp?country=C...
Dendropanax caucanus. While Phil's are in the family of ARACEAE . Close but still not the same.
Noel, this Dendropanax will become a terrorist if you plant it in your garden. I think this is the most rowdy member of the family Araliaceae. Ours are decent in comparison but no less then the Lianas of Vietnam(far East) Thumbs down . You might require a machete to get out in the morning.
Now, as I am quite fascinated with your venture I will save Jonna's link and the following link as I have a feeling we may require it again. Now get good photographs of the light green prominent veined plant I pointed out. That gave a look of family Araceae.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/plantaspinunsulaosa/
Now Jonna, when are you going to open an Old Joints Club in your balmy weather in winters Confused It might be a roaring success Rolling on the floor laughing
Regards,
Arif.
Name: Evan
Pioneer Valley south, MA, USA (Zone 6a)
Charter ATP Member Plant Database Moderator Forum moderator Aroids Irises Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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eclayne
Jan 6, 2013 5:32 AM CST

Plants Admin

KAMasud said: Now get good photographs of the light green prominent veined plant I pointed out. That gave a look of family Araceae.

I agree
Evan

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