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Feb 13, 2021 10:26 AM CST
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Name: LG
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Butterflies Garden Photography Hostas Hummingbirder Peonies Region: Tennessee
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Let's post any events that help us learn more about peonies!

Here is a free virtual online event with three notable peony experts! It is open to the public.

I have put it on my calendar and am planning to attend.


https://fb.me/e/2xkbOLSiP


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Feb 14, 2021 4:29 PM CST
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Name: Tracey
Midwest (Zone 5a)
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Thanks LG. It is optimal for this event that questions are submitted ahead of time, as those are what will be asked and any extra questions, if there is time. March 1st is the deadline for your questions.

It should be great fun!
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Feb 19, 2021 3:27 PM CST
Name: aka Annie
WA-rural 8a to (Zone 7b)
All the stuff Nate and Don have written in the European Peony is so interesting....Can't wait!
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Feb 27, 2021 5:13 AM CST
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Name: LG
Nashvillle (Zone 7b)
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Well, this is not an "event" per se, but I hope everyone received their Spring 2021 APS bulletin, and read the wonderful article that Nick (@NMay) wrote. He really captured the essence of Peony passion. The photos he included were amazing!! I have many Bartzellas, and they have never bloomed as nicely as Nick's.
Cheers to you Nick for that wonderful article.
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Feb 27, 2021 7:49 PM CST
Name: Nick
Edmonton, Canada (Zone 3b)
Thank you so, so much, LG. It was an honor to be asked to contribute and I am just so grateful for this wonderful community and for all the kind words, support, and encouragement that have been directed by way after the bulletin was released and just in general. I was really trying to bottle up what keeps us so enamored with these plants so I am overjoyed to hear you say that came across in reading the article. This really makes my day. I know the passion for peonies on this forum is in no short supply!

I owe a lot to Kim Bremer for the opportunity and for her help in editing the original piece to tastefully include the core ideas that held the article together. My original submission was a fair bit longer but unfortunately would not fit with all the other fantastic content that was submitted. If anyone is interested in reading the original, please message me and I would be happy to share the Google doc with you.

Do you all have your questions submitted for the above panel featuring Nate, Don, and Harvey? I'm going to be trying my hand at some hybridizing this year so I have so many questions for them. It's such a great opportunity and I can't wait to watch the session.
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Mar 5, 2021 7:22 AM CST
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Name: LG
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Don't forget that this Event is tomorrow.

I don't know why I'm so excited about it...I guess I just love to learn more about peonies.
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Mar 5, 2021 9:04 PM CST
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Name: Liz Best
Columbiana Alabama (Zone 8a)
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Because we haven't been able to gather and talk about peonies for since May 2019!!!! And now this year's in person convention is cancelled, it'll at least be another year....I'm looking forward to tomorrow's event as well!
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Mar 6, 2021 8:45 AM CST
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Name: Tracey
Midwest (Zone 5a)
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It's going to be refreshing to dive into peonies in conversation for a while. Long overdue. This spring meeting always comes at a good time, anticipation of warming soil and spring flowers. And talk of garden hope and promise of the coming season.
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Mar 6, 2021 1:14 PM CST
Name: Alex
Toronto, Ontario
Region: Canadian
I did not get the part where do you store your pollen - in refrigerator of freezer?

Also, it was not covered, but how to collect the pollen? With a brush or cutting those from the flower and then separating it?

It was interesting to find out that some tetraploids do not cross over because of different reasons....and breeders should not be overly looking into matching poliploidy cultivars.

Thanks to all participants and LG for letting us know about this event.
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Mar 6, 2021 2:44 PM CST
Name: Nick
Edmonton, Canada (Zone 3b)
The panel was so informative and has me all fired up for peony season! Thanks to all who made it interesting!

Alex, I believe you can store the pollen in the fridge for short term use but if you want to use it for next season you are going to want to put it in the freezer. Maybe someone with more experience can verify this as I am a rookie in this respect.

To collect pollen you can pull the anthers from the filament by hand or just snip and collect the whole stamen by cutting at the base of the filaments. You'd want to do this before the anthers dehisce and release the pollen.

Here are some resources that dive deeper into what I mentioned above. If you roll your cursor over the images in the second link a little text box will appear with a written description of each step.

https://americanpeonysociety.o...
https://translate.google.com/t...
http://www.southernpeony.com/2...
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Mar 6, 2021 3:26 PM CST
Name: Alex
Toronto, Ontario
Region: Canadian
Thanks Nick! Certainly to consider that someone needs 10-15 years from pollinating the peony to putting it on the market...
I may have fun with hybridization, but all things with registering and marketing of new cultivar is not an option for the person who is not going to commit 10 years of their life. Space and resources as well.
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Mar 6, 2021 7:47 PM CST
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I really enjoyed the event. There were so many little things that I made notes on, like to be sure that your pollen is completely dry before you freeze it.

I also thought it was interesting that they were recommending crossing Lutea hybrids onto Itohs.

I saw that photo of the cross of Lemon Chiffon and Bartzella, and that is a beautiful bloom.

I have one peony that gets botrytis every spring, so once the event was over I mixed up some liquid fertilizer and applied it to that peony. It was already up a bit!

Anyway, I think this is a good preview of the type of online events the APS may have instead of a Convention this year.

If anyone hears of another online peony event, please post here!
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Mar 6, 2021 8:40 PM CST
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Pollen when dried and fluffy goes in the freezer.

Don't you love how peony hybridizers seem to have a rapport and share so much with each other? They want to move the genus forward.

I asked a couple of the questions and they all spent a lot of time answering them.

I do miss the true camaraderie of an in person meeting though.

Nice to see so many in attendance today. Though we had a 1,000 person limit that we were not even close to getting Hilarious!
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Mar 7, 2021 3:29 AM CST
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It was nice to see you Tracey!
The panel had a great rapport, and each had a lot to contribute. I haven't had the opportunity to hear Harvey speak before, and enjoyed his input very much.

I was surprised that the attendance was that low. Normally this would be something you would get at a convention, and you have to pay to attend the APS Convention.

The photos Nate said he was sharing were not visible to me. I could see his cursor moving around, but it was on the white peony bloom background. Did anyone else have that issue?

I did note that a couple of them did say that they didn't worry about the bees pollinating their peonies because they didn't see them. Are bees not common up in the cold areas? I've been seeing honey bees in my area since the end of January.
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Mar 7, 2021 8:46 AM CST
Name: Alex
Toronto, Ontario
Region: Canadian
I had the same problem with pictures, LG.

I would expect that lack of bees related to mono-culture of plants they are growing or may be forested area without much flowers.
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Mar 7, 2021 8:55 AM CST
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Name: Liz Best
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I completely missed the crossing Lutea with Itoh and the pics as well as the thing about fertilizing/botrytis? Can you please elaborate on that, LG? I missed the first few minutes after the break and had a few times that Jeff was looking for something that I had to help him with, caught the cast majority but missed that completely! I didn't take notes, never even occurred to me, duh! What was the variety that Harvey said always produced seedlings that were prone to botrytis?
I've never seen any of Harvey's lectures either, thought the conversation back and forth where they were basically prompting each other was wonderful!
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Mar 7, 2021 11:08 AM CST
Name: aka Annie
WA-rural 8a to (Zone 7b)
Arrg...missed it...is there anyway they might put it on youtube?

I found the European peony society has lots on seed growing and hybridizing, with lot of old newletters from Don, Nate, and Bill.... https://www.peonysociety.eu/pa... ....
https://www.peonysociety.eu/ma... has lots of topics... There is even an old forum with questions and comments. I think it was really well used 5-10 years ago, but seems to be reviving with the gardening surge. It even has Adleman's Spring opening posted...assuming OR keeps opening up...
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Mar 7, 2021 12:07 PM CST
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Name: Liz Best
Columbiana Alabama (Zone 8a)
Annuals Winter Sowing Plant and/or Seed Trader Peonies Lilies Irises
Hummingbirder Dragonflies Dog Lover Daylilies Bee Lover Birds
I doubt if they recorded it, would've been nice though! Sounds like the APS might be doing similar things instead of the convention. Nice but not as nice as being there, hopefully next year!
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Mar 7, 2021 12:24 PM CST
Name: Nick
Edmonton, Canada (Zone 3b)
LizinElizabeth said:I completely missed the crossing Lutea with Itoh and the pics as well as the thing about fertilizing/botrytis? Can you please elaborate on that, LG? I missed the first few minutes after the break and had a few times that Jeff was looking for something that I had to help him with, caught the cast majority but missed that completely! I didn't take notes, never even occurred to me, duh! What was the variety that Harvey said always produced seedlings that were prone to botrytis?
I've never seen any of Harvey's lectures either, thought the conversation back and forth where they were basically prompting each other was wonderful!


Liz, my interpretation and recollection of what Harvey was saying is that the first thing that should be looked at when tackling botrytis is soil ecology. He said that when your soil is healthy/fertile and in balance botrytis is very rarely an issue. He mentioned the importance of potassium as something that helps prevent botrytis as it ferries nutrients around and therefore helps increase their use by the plant. Harvey also touched on how their are several different types of botrytis and how the one that infects the crown is different from the foliar botrytis. When applying a copper based fungicide it should be done before you start seeing the symptoms in areas that you know you've had trouble prior as it inhibits the opening of the spores - any later and it's not going to be as effective just because of the mechanism of inhibition.

Mary Brand was the mother plant that always produced seedlings prone to botrytis and were subsequently all culled.

I *think* the whole Lutea and Itoh thing was a thought exercise that demonstrated that people should be adventurous with their crosses and not only do things by the book - those who do may have some failures or less seed but will be the ones who come away with the most interesting plants. Or it may have been when the panel was mentioning that introducing some of the species plants back into the crosses of today may widen the gene pool of modern hybrids and produce some more interesting plants now and in the long run. Please correct me if I've misspoken, I'm not always the greatest listener!

I agree, Harvey was incredibly knowledgeable and so well spoken. It was a joy to hear him talk alongside Nate and Don. It's like he was meant to be doing these kind of sessions.

Mieko2 said:I did note that a couple of them did say that they didn't worry about the bees pollinating their peonies because they didn't see them. Are bees not common up in the cold areas? I've been seeing honey bees in my area since the end of January.


I thought this was quite interesting too. I'm growing in a cold area and right in the suburbs I see quite a few bees every year. If I was doing a ton of hybridizing it would certainly be an issue if I didn't cover the crosses.
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Mar 7, 2021 12:58 PM CST
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Name: LG
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Thanks for providing those answers to Liz, Nick. You are a very attentive listener!!

I'm glad you have bees in your area. It may be as Alex suggested....forested areas or monoculture areas where Harvey and Nate are.
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