I have been reading your posts about introducing things and I thought maybe this is the place I shoud be sending this since this is my first time ever to introduce anything..it has been quite a process to decide to do this and 'take the plunge'! So here's my website...commenst..good/bad or indifferent would be much appreciated. I am in Zone 5A and I did 12 Spring intros(all dormant-I think!..have to check my notes!) and Fall is 9 and 1 is an Evergreen...as you will see on the website all have had "bare bones" care because they are out in the field with no auxillary watering system and no fertilizing...'jus't leaves or mulch of some kind. Below is the link and a copy of what I wrote to other daylily forums..

with "fear and trepidation" and "excitement" (ie; mixed emotions) I want to share with you my first-ever intros..for those of you who are interested,I am in cold Zone 5A and almost all my intros are dormant..please don't be fearful to add you input..here's the link: www.gardenglory.net..I have posted this in numerous forums so please don't be offended...just want to get the word out..even if it is scary!

2013 SPRING INTROS - www.gardenglory.net
www.gardenglory.net
2013 SPRING INTROS - www.gardenglory.net

Congratulations Nancy! Beautiful intros!

I've really enjoyed this thread! I'm only hybridizing for myself, and have never intended on introducing a daylily, even if I get a good one, but I do plan on registering a few. My first one will be named after my Mom, another after one of my grandmother's, and another after my best friend because she has begged me to do so. After that, I'll see what happens. I'm going to make sure it's a perfect (in my eyes!) flower and plant though before going through the process.

I agree with everyone here who has mentioned seedlings in the parentage. It really is a fantastic idea to register the seedlings that are being used extensively, and I hadn't thought of that before. I have bought only one seedling, and the parents are unknown. It's an amazing flower, and the price was right, and it is so totally different from anything else I grow, so I had to have it. I just wish that the person who originally grew it would register it. I was told that it was too expensive to do that, even though I know it's not. Well, not for me, and I believe that this person has introduced daylilies before, so I'm thinking that introducing them could be more expensive? I may offer to pay for the registration myself because I plan on using it a lot with my hybridizing, and I'd really prefer to have a name on it, other than the garden name that it came with. Maybe this would be a waste of money, since the parents aren't known, but at least this would be a starting point for lineage? Any thoughts on that?

I have registered several plants but only introduced a couple. I gave samples of my plants to a friend with a commercial nursery to evaluate. After being grown in a commercial operation, several plants showed weak traits. It's disappointing, but I think many of the smaller hybridizers need others to evaluate their plants. We tend to be more accepting of faults than others will be. I would not register something solely based on someone else's opinion, but I would consider it. Everyone has likes, and if I start hybridizing for someone else's likes, I'll probably never reach the goals I have set for myself. I know my wife can walk the seedling beds and never see a cull.
I appreciate and respect the listing of parentage provided by some hybridizers. I have tried to be as diligent, but after hurricane Ike dealt me a blow and then some health issues, I have plants with unknown parents, or some I'm not 100% sure of. Some are pretty good plants, and I will not throw them away. I think as much as the parentage of the plants, who the hybridizer is, is also important. I will accept a plant with unknown parentage from some hybridizers.
In the case of having to label long crosses, I try to hold to a rule of mine; if it is worth crossing, it is worth assigning a seedling number. I have never selected more than 99 seedlings in a year, so I find a 4 digit seedling number is adequate for seedlings. Last two digits of the year followed by seedling number. So I should never have a cross requiring more than AAAA X BBBB. I do make an exception when two or more seedlings with the same cross are selected. I add A, B etc. to the number.
I agree with the comments about in-breeding and line breeding. It is neither good or bad, but can be both. We would not have the wonderful forms and patterned flowers we have today without it, but it also has its dark side. Just as conversions, it will concentrate traits. Some not readily apparent. Trying to achieve a result too quickly usually has bad consequences.
If you have a plant you really like, give it a chance to disappoint you. Line it out in different locations. Give it different watering regimens or levels of care. Then if it's still around in five years or so, and still impresses and pleases you, consider registering it. And then if others like it too, maybe introducing it.
Good luck, Ed

Nancy, you should start a new thread to announce your website. More people will see it that way. As long as your a regular poster here on the forum, we don't mind self promotion.

Ed, I agree about not being in a hurry. I've given a few of my plants to friends, and a couple to a well known hybridizer to grow to see how they do.

Very nice collection Nancy, with lots of information on each. Great job on the website.

Me too.

I like this discussion thread.

When I first chimed in, I hadn't separated the difference between "introducing" and "registering". Also, I like Ed's comments about waiting years to see how it REALLY performs.

Like Natalie, I only play at hybridizing for the fun of it. ~Jan

I will be registering some they will be named after my children and named after things that mean alot to me.But I will be very very picky on who gets registered as I might later introduce them.
I realy like hardy plants wimpy things won't cut it here so pretty and good vigorous genetics is a must for me.

philljm said:I also have a tall bearded Iris I will register in the future, after my grandfather who hybridized this one in the 1950's. He was in to hybridizing daylilies and Iris in North Dakota, and apparently had a large greenhouse. Apparently the greenhouse caught fire (arson was suspected but never proved) and the one I plan on registering was the only one that survived. It has been growing at my parent's house - and now my sister's house for many years. I will name it after my grandfather. The only people that will care about the iris is my family. ~Jan

Actually, I would be interested in an iris with that kind of history, so if you ever had a couple extra fans....

I am still several years away from registering it, but I might be able to get you some fans from my sister later this spring Mary. My clump is still small and hasn't bloomed yet, but it grows like weeds at my sister's house in OH.

philljm said:I am still several years away from registering it, but I might be able to get you some fans from my sister later this spring Mary. My clump is still small and hasn't bloomed yet, but it grows like weeds at my sister's house in OH.

I would give them a place of honor in my front yard, and label them "Jan's Grandfather" until they had a real name.

Very cool! I will see what I can do when I head to Ohio in June ~Jan

philljm said:Very cool! I will see what I can do when I head to Ohio in June ~Jan

Thanks!

Jan, I keep forgetting to mention how awesome I think it is that you'll register that iris! It's such a special one because of it's origin, and the fact that it survived the fire. I love stories like this! I also think you should introduce the daylily that you'll name for your sister. It's stunning!

I'm quite positive that I have a bed of over 100 seedlings now that are going to be worthy of registering and introducing but more than likely, I'm going to dig them up and toss them out before I get to see them bloom. I have way too much to do before moving, and I'd rather start over than to move that many babies. I'll just take the parents and 3yr old seedlings with me, and hope for the best the next time around. I've only seen 5 or 6 of my seedlings bloom so far, and none have knocked my socks off. Well, one was very pretty to me, and I may stick a name on it someday, but it won't be introduced. Since it will probably be named after my Mom, I'm not worried about using a name that I'd rather save for something later. It's worthy of her name though - at least to me. She'll probably hate it! She'll lie though and tell me it's the most beautiful flower that she's ever seen!

Some pretty flowers there, Nancy. Fun, huh?

On your website, I like the idea of showing the flowers as a video but it would have also been easier just to look at them singly first. Just an idea. And I didn't see your info such as where you live etc. I might just be blind though!

I found your pricing interesting as well. 67, 87, 107? How did you come upon that? <BG>

I like the idea of double fans too.

Best wishes in your new endeavor of daylily intros!

BB

Natalie...I am 99.99% sure that once the seedling is in someone else's hands you have every right to introduce and /or register it as you wish, unless there has been some contract/agreement made. I am 100% sure of that with seeds...once they are in your hands they are yours. As to the seedling, some have put their name and the hybridizer's name on the registration form..but I think that needs an agreement also.

Juli..thanks for the suggestion to start another thread about my intros...how do I go about it and can I use a copy of what I had already written?

Bobbi...I hope I have corrected the sliDe show now so you can see each pic..if you go down to the thumbnails you click on one and it gets larger and then a manual slide show comes up. Thanks for the suggestion of where-and/or who I am..it is hidden way down on the red bar..I will re-write it on the intros page...never thought of it!

about the numbers....it is a reference to numbers in the Bible..Like the number of man is '6'...the number of completion or perfection is '7' and the number of '8' is new beginnings, etc ...some scholars over the years have observed and written about them. ..here is a link about the Biblical meaning of the number seven..http://www.biblewheel.com/Topics/Seven_Meaning.php it's very interesting!

Ed I like what you said about being patient...

Trying to achieve a result too quickly usually has bad consequences.
If you have a plant you really like, give it a chance to disappoint you. Line it out in different locations. Give it different watering regimens or levels of care. Then if it's still around in five years or so, and still impresses and pleases you, consider registering it. And then if others like it too, maybe introducing it.

...and you are SO ACCURATE about giving it time a chance to disappoint you...I had/have over 20.000 seedlings out in the field and there were some that I loved immediately then totally disappointed me even the next year...some didn't come to their best until they were in a mature clump and when the weather is so volitile it can sure take more than three years! I am going to upload an image out of TRULY ANGELIC X UKN(oh I wish I knew who!!!...By how it looks and when it blooms and by knowing who I bred it to I think it is either: SPACECOAST RASPBERRY MIST, TIMELESS ROMANCE, or STARTLE....so that's still a big selection to guess at...anyone have an idea? the next pic I would like to share is out of a different TRULY ANGELIC seedling which had one of the same parents mentioned above and then it was bred to WHITEBASE. I so like the distribution of white on the tips of the petals like little snowballs or popcorn or pearls.. it has a distinction all of its own..only the first yr so it could change drastically I know..but I sure hope not..just hope it lays flatter!

Nancy, yes you can copy what you already posted. Just go to the main daylily forum page, scroll to the bottom. You will see a place for a thread title, and for you to type in what you want to say.

If you get a seedling from someone that has already bloomed in their garden, you cannot just name it without written permission. It all hinges on whose garden it first bloomed in.

Hi Nancy, Thanks for the info on the seedling, but I'm pretty sure that I'd have no right to register it, without permission, since it's still being sold by someone. Or maybe I'd have the right to do so, but I don't feel it's right. Does that make any sense at all? It's been around a while, and the lady that I bought it from got it from the person who grew it from seed. I honestly can't figure out why it wasn't registered since it is an outstanding plant. Maybe I'll talk to her and see what she thinks, and she can ask the person who she got it from. I'm not sure if she bought it or it was given to her. At this point, I'd be willing to pay the registration fee for the original grower, and then I wouldn't have to worry about any guilty feelings later. It just feels wrong to me to register it myself without something in writing.

Juli, we cross posted. You said exactly what I was thinking!