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Jan 21, 2013 7:36 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
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I think that soil temperature matters a lot for early spring snow peas and snap peas.

I think it's a lot like gambling and playing the stock market: only you know how pain-averse you are, and how much pleasure you get from each win.

Do you consider losing one crop in three a good investment if it gets you multiple crops two weeks earlier? Maybe not.

How about losing one crop in ten? Sure.

One in five? That's individual. If you sow succession crops every two weeks, you might be very willing to lose a few. If you're vigorous and have a lot of hoops and sheets and blankets and plastic film, you might take late frost as a challenge that you know you can beat.

If you expect to sow all your early crops in one weekend, and all your warm crops in one other weekend, and can afford to wait for your first fresh salads, losing even one crop in ten might be too much.

Or, if you're a weekend gardener, it might come down to "THIS weekend it isn't raining, so wish me luck!" (If the long-range forecast is smiling)

If you start seeds indoors, you either need a big cold frame or a willingness to gamble ... or patience.
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Jan 29, 2013 9:03 PM CST
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I was wondering if you can get a printable version of our Garden Planting calendar list?
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Jan 30, 2013 6:54 AM CST
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
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I'm all ears!
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Jan 30, 2013 9:15 AM CST
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Name: Dave Whitinger
Southlake, Texas (Zone 8a)
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I made a custom printable one for Calgary but it was a manual process. I'll see what I can do to make an automatic printable version.
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Jan 30, 2013 9:32 AM CST
Name: Joanne
Calgary, AB Canada (Zone 3a)
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The google map is a nice bonus. Yes a print friendly version would be nice too
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Jan 30, 2013 10:05 AM CST
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Name: Dave Whitinger
Southlake, Texas (Zone 8a)
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Ok, there's now an icon for a print friendly version of the page. Thumbs up
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Jan 30, 2013 10:51 AM CST
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
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Hurray! Going to look.
Wow, I didn't know you added the google map.
And the printable planning guide looks wonderful.

Thank you Dave.
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Jan 30, 2013 11:01 AM CST
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Name: Dave Whitinger
Southlake, Texas (Zone 8a)
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Jan 30, 2013 11:24 AM CST
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Name: Evan
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Works great, easy peasy. Are the points on the map weather stations?
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Jan 30, 2013 11:37 AM CST
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Name: Dave Whitinger
Southlake, Texas (Zone 8a)
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Generally, yes. Those are locations where we have the frost dates. You can click on them to change to that location.
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Jan 30, 2013 12:03 PM CST
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Name: Evan
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Jan 30, 2013 12:22 PM CST
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Name: Suzanne/Sue
Sebastopol, CA (Zone 9a)
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Wonderful, thanks Dave! Hurray!
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Jan 30, 2013 12:24 PM CST
Name: Sharon
Calvert City, KY (Zone 7a)
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You can also move the map with your cursor, which is how I ended up in Berea, KY and suddenly lost 50 days of growing time without realizing I'd moved the map.

One must be extra sharp to keep up with Dave, otherwise one sits here fretting for about 20 wasted minutes wondering where those days went. Green Grin!
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Jan 30, 2013 1:23 PM CST
Name: Vicki
North Carolina
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I was clicking on it last night during the podcast when he talked about it. As they brings things up, I'm off and clicking to wherever they are Whistling
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Jan 30, 2013 2:34 PM CST
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
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I have been saving the new podcast for a time that I won't be interrupted. I want to be able to concentrate on every word, not miss anything. Paper and pencil in front of me. Thumbs up
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Jan 30, 2013 2:35 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
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Thanks for the printable form! It's also copy-paste-able so I can add rows offline.

I plan to give friends the link as a temptation to visit this site:

http://garden.org/apps/calenda...
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Feb 1, 2013 8:43 AM CST
Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
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RickCorey said:I think that soil temperature matters a lot for early spring snow peas and snap peas.

I think it's a lot like gambling and playing the stock market: only you know how pain-averse you are, and how much pleasure you get from each win.

Do you consider losing one crop in three a good investment if it gets you multiple crops two weeks earlier? Maybe not.

How about losing one crop in ten? Sure.

One in five? That's individual. If you sow succession crops every two weeks, you might be very willing to lose a few. If you're vigorous and have a lot of hoops and sheets and blankets and plastic film, you might take late frost as a challenge that you know you can beat.

If you expect to sow all your early crops in one weekend, and all your warm crops in one other weekend, and can afford to wait for your first fresh salads, losing even one crop in ten might be too much.

Or, if you're a weekend gardener, it might come down to "THIS weekend it isn't raining, so wish me luck!" (If the long-range forecast is smiling)

If you start seeds indoors, you either need a big cold frame or a willingness to gamble ... or patience.


Farming is a bit of a one sided gamble with God. Specially in the Arid rain dependent areas that is why there is a wide disparity of dates. Corn,etc here is monsoon rain(20 days variation) dependent and it depends upon the individual farmers judgement. Plant the seeds and then pray for rain. Some win, some lose. Luck of the draw.
Regards,
Arif.
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Feb 1, 2013 1:08 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
If my daily bread and livelihood depended on it, I would be VERY risk-averse, and sow at safer times, even if they were a little less productive times.
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Feb 1, 2013 2:26 PM CST
Name: Kathleen Tenpas
Wickwire Corners NY (Zone 5a)
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farmers are the biggest gamblers out there. Everything depends on things out of our control: weather, animals, markets. We go out daily and don't know if we will make some money, break even or lose, but most of us wouldn't do anything else.
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Feb 1, 2013 3:09 PM CST
Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Container Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Enjoys or suffers hot summers Multi-Region Gardener
Kathleen is correct. See in corn for example we want the seedlings to be at least two three inches with a good root system before the Monsoon rains start. Now each individual farmers judges as to when it will rain and sows the seeds. This gap of a month in sowing time is a lot. If the farmer has failed in judging correctly and the seed has not sprouted, it rots. In wheat we have a two month sowing period. Here also the farmers judges and if there are no rains when the seedlings are three inches tall, stress sets in.
This year there have been no winter rains and the wheat is runty and stunted. The grains if any will be husks. If it rains even now then maybe the grains may fill out but still be C grade. For three years running this has been going on in Monsoons and in winter. Garden is at a micro level but fields where inputs have to be applied, farmers end up going bankrupt. Farming is pure one sided gambling and farmers are quite quaintly religious with all that praying and begging God to send the rains on time and oh please please no hail this time around.
Kathleen Thumbs up I also would not prefer to do anything else.
Regards,
Arif.

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