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Jan 23, 2013 3:14 PM CST
Name: Karen
Valencia, Pa (Zone 6a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Cut Flowers Winter Sowing Charter ATP Member Seed Starter Echinacea
Plant and/or Seed Trader Region: Ohio Region: United States of America Butterflies Hummingbirder Celebrating Gardening: 2015
For wintersowing? Geez, understand I've been wintersowing for 7 years, this will be year 8. Some years I've done as many as 80 some jugs, but some favorites would be
Perennials
rudbeckia hirtas
coneflowers (echinacea)
gaillardia
columbine
digitalis
verbascum
butterfly weed (A. tuberosa)
lobelia cardinalis
maltese cross
salvia
snapdragons

Hardy annuals
bachelor buttons
poppies

Annuals
alyssum
petunia
tomatoes
zinnias
marigolds
nasturtium
salvia

I've tried lots of others. Any specific questions?

My best recommendations would be
Sow perennials and hardy annuals in winter, tenders in spring, or close to spring. Protect tender seedlings frost late frost.
Use large containers, soil 3" or deeper, allow for headroom
Maintain moisture and Adequate drainage.

Karen
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Jan 23, 2013 3:23 PM CST
Name: Karen
Valencia, Pa (Zone 6a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Cut Flowers Winter Sowing Charter ATP Member Seed Starter Echinacea
Plant and/or Seed Trader Region: Ohio Region: United States of America Butterflies Hummingbirder Celebrating Gardening: 2015
As to the database Xeramtheum posted, that was our results from GardenWeb. It was a compilation of results to which all interested parties could contribute. Many of us contributed over a period of years. If a particular plant wasn't listed, it doesn't mean it won't work. It simply means that no responders tried it AND reported it.

Karen
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Jan 23, 2013 3:29 PM CST
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Name: Anne
Summerville, SC (Zone 8a)
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It's a most excellent tool - I've had it for many years and can't remember who sent it to me. Ya'll did an awesome job! You should be proud.
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Jan 23, 2013 3:45 PM CST
Name: Karen
Valencia, Pa (Zone 6a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Cut Flowers Winter Sowing Charter ATP Member Seed Starter Echinacea
Plant and/or Seed Trader Region: Ohio Region: United States of America Butterflies Hummingbirder Celebrating Gardening: 2015
It's also on GWeb's FAQs.
http://faq.gardenweb.com/faq/w...

That was my motivation for doing a spreadsheet in my early WSing years. Emailing a spreadsheet to the person compiling results seemed the easiest option.

Karen
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Jan 23, 2013 3:49 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Anne
Summerville, SC (Zone 8a)
Only dead fish go with the flow!
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It sure has saved me from a lot of failures .. thanks for your efforts .. they are appreciated!
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Jan 23, 2013 3:59 PM CST
Name: Karen
Valencia, Pa (Zone 6a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Cut Flowers Winter Sowing Charter ATP Member Seed Starter Echinacea
Plant and/or Seed Trader Region: Ohio Region: United States of America Butterflies Hummingbirder Celebrating Gardening: 2015
I'd caution you not to put too much emphasis on other people's results. Just because some in your zone aren't successful with a certain plant, it doesn't mean you can't do it.

Karen
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Jan 23, 2013 5:58 PM CST
Name: Deanna Ward

Hey Madam X - both Donna Creation and I send you well wishes!!

Deanna
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Jan 23, 2013 6:14 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
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You can also use a sharp knife to slice little wedges out of the lower rim of plastic cups. That let's you cut any size or shape of hole that you want.

Or a soldering iron or wood-burning tool or a big nail heated in a gas flame.

>> in the past I used cell packs which were a pain because of irregular germination - I'd have to be digging out individual seedling to transplant into a pot

True, but the inconvenience is reduced if you use the tear-apart six-packs. Then you only need six cells to sprout close-together-enough. And sometimes you can double-up two six packs if each has one empty row, by nesting the full row from one pack into the top of the empty row from another pack.

When I use solid prop trays (plug trays), I cut them into 3-4 slices. For example, 10 rows (50 cells) become three slices with 3-4-3 rows.

Sixteen rows (128 cells) become 4 slices of 4 rows each - 32 cells per slice). Each slice gets just one variety, and usually germinate close enough together that I can pop out all the vigorous ones in one session, and ignore the rest. I expect late-sprouters to be less vigorous. But then, the most tricky things I start are Salvia and Delphinium, since I gave up on Penstemon. And Salvias and Delphs are not very tricky if you pre-soak them. And the seeds are not so precious that I can't waste a few.

I'm guessing that you start some difficult seeds that sprout over a range of weeks, and maybe "late-sprouting" does not mean "weak and sickly".
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Jan 23, 2013 6:28 PM CST
Name: Joanne
Calgary, AB Canada (Zone 3a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Master Level Region: Canadian Charter ATP Member Seed Starter Roses
Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Annuals Container Gardener Vegetable Grower Winter Sowing Enjoys or suffers cold winters
Big clippers worked great for the plastic glasses. I tip my hat to you.
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Jan 24, 2013 6:24 AM CST
Name: Teri
Mount Bethel, PA
Annuals Seed Starter Region: Pennsylvania Region: Northeast US Region: Mid-Atlantic Lilies
Hibiscus Echinacea I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Container Gardener Clematis Charter ATP Member
You aren't talking about the very clear hard plastic, are you?
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Jan 24, 2013 7:41 AM CST
Name: Karen
Valencia, Pa (Zone 6a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Cut Flowers Winter Sowing Charter ATP Member Seed Starter Echinacea
Plant and/or Seed Trader Region: Ohio Region: United States of America Butterflies Hummingbirder Celebrating Gardening: 2015
I never used those- too hard to cut. I've used the Solo-type cups, or styrofoam. I used to use a lot of yogurt cups, but I've changed brands. I don't like the Oikos greek yogurt cups as well as my old Dannon ones. I'm still re-using some of the old ones, though.

Karen
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Jan 24, 2013 7:41 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Anne
Summerville, SC (Zone 8a)
Only dead fish go with the flow!
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Roses we're talking about the squishable plastic cups.

Rick I was using the 6 cell packs - as I said, I'm hoping this new way will keep me from having to transplant into pots before they need to go into the ground or where ever.

The first picture is from last year on the 2nd of February. The second picture is what my potting bench looked like by March 1st and I hadn't even started the Morning Glory's yet. I think I grew about 30 MG's last year. They are always the last to get started because they pop up very fast and grow extremely fast then try to hug everything in sight. Trying to extricate individuals from each other and their victims without damaging anything is a nightmare. And yes I do start the ones that take the longest to germinate first.

I've also tried the using knives, pencils, screw drivers, pretty much anything I can find to punch holes in cups. The clippers or sharp scissors are the best way in my experience .. you don't really want to poke a hole, rather just cut off an edge at the bottom.


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Jan 24, 2013 7:53 AM CST
Name: Karen
Valencia, Pa (Zone 6a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Cut Flowers Winter Sowing Charter ATP Member Seed Starter Echinacea
Plant and/or Seed Trader Region: Ohio Region: United States of America Butterflies Hummingbirder Celebrating Gardening: 2015
I always use a piece of wood under under the object I'm trying to pierce. I've drilled big holes into the wood. When there's no resistance under the container, it's much easier to pierce. I use whatever is there- an ice pick, a closed pointed scissors, a serrated knife. Once a knife pierces, I twist it to open the hole wider. I also often poke a hole on the side, about an inch from the bottom.

I think poking into that piece of wood has saved my fingers often.

Karen
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Jan 24, 2013 10:30 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Anne
Summerville, SC (Zone 8a)
Only dead fish go with the flow!
Plant and/or Seed Trader Birds Cat Lover Greenhouse Tropicals Bulbs
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When I used to use things to poke holes I used a piece of wood too! But only after I started bleeding .. Lol!
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Jan 24, 2013 11:14 AM CST
Name: Joanne
Calgary, AB Canada (Zone 3a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Master Level Region: Canadian Charter ATP Member Seed Starter Roses
Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Annuals Container Gardener Vegetable Grower Winter Sowing Enjoys or suffers cold winters
Xeramtheum said:When I used to use things to poke holes I used a piece of wood too! But only after I started bleeding .. Lol!


Hilarious! That reminds me of a funny thing that happened at a garden club meeting a few years back. We had folks from Tom-boy Tools come in to demo their power tools (designed for women). I decided to make a workshop out of the demo and everyone made a wood trellis to take home for their garden. Everyone was so focused on drilling holes and securing the trellis together, we didn't notice that in our "zeal" we drilled holes into the tables. Blinking Our club replaced the damaged tables to the Community Centre and a few of us ended up with great folding tables, complete with drain holes, for an excellent price. It still makes us laugh.
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Jan 24, 2013 11:14 AM CST
Name: Teri
Mount Bethel, PA
Annuals Seed Starter Region: Pennsylvania Region: Northeast US Region: Mid-Atlantic Lilies
Hibiscus Echinacea I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Container Gardener Clematis Charter ATP Member
Box cutter works great for me.
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Jan 24, 2013 12:00 PM CST
Name: Karen
Valencia, Pa (Zone 6a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Cut Flowers Winter Sowing Charter ATP Member Seed Starter Echinacea
Plant and/or Seed Trader Region: Ohio Region: United States of America Butterflies Hummingbirder Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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Jan 24, 2013 12:08 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Anne
Summerville, SC (Zone 8a)
Only dead fish go with the flow!
Plant and/or Seed Trader Birds Cat Lover Greenhouse Tropicals Bulbs
Seed Starter Garden Ideas: Master Level Hibiscus Hybridizer Garden Sages Butterflies
That is funny Joanna .. I've done the exact same thing before!
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Jan 24, 2013 1:14 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
Xeramtheum,

I see you found a solution for carrying around a large number of pots! I tried using "1020" trays but they are much too fragile and the sides aren't high enough. Web flats - same thing. Also, none of my pots and trays quite "fit" - there's always wasted space.

Indoors I can use cardboard boxes lined with plastic bags, but outside, they dissolve in the rain.
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Jan 24, 2013 1:30 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Anne
Summerville, SC (Zone 8a)
Only dead fish go with the flow!
Plant and/or Seed Trader Birds Cat Lover Greenhouse Tropicals Bulbs
Seed Starter Garden Ideas: Master Level Hibiscus Hybridizer Garden Sages Butterflies
The Dollar Tree is a most wonderful place for garden stuff that isn't garden stuff. Everything from containers for holding multiple pots to small pots themselves and even those cell packs .. couldn't live without it!
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