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Name: Carole
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SongofJoy
Jan 23, 2013 12:27 PM CST
A box for "Humidity tolerant" or "High humidity tolerant" or something like that? It's a huge consideration for those of us gardening in the South.
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SongofJoy
Jan 23, 2013 1:22 PM CST
Just a box for people to check going forward.
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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Jan 24, 2013 8:39 AM CST
Good idea Tee!
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valleylynn
Jan 25, 2013 9:00 AM CST
I agree
Name: Carole
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SongofJoy
Jan 25, 2013 9:17 AM CST
It would be very helpful to those of us with high humidity during the summer growing season. Heat and humidity often create problems for our plants and especially when growing vegetables. Bacteria, fungi and viruses all thrive in that environment.

I was just about to order an herb plant and then I read their very useful (and honest) note stating that "this plant will not do well if you live in an area of high humidity". I appreciated that as it probably saved me at least $6. Smiling

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Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Jan 25, 2013 11:50 AM CST

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I've added it under Miscellaneous! Thumbs up
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SongofJoy
Jan 25, 2013 11:59 AM CST
I tip my hat to you.
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Jan 25, 2013 12:01 PM CST
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Jan 25, 2013 12:23 PM CST
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dave
Jan 25, 2013 12:36 PM CST

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I tip my hat to you.
Name: Arif Masud
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KAMasud
Feb 2, 2013 9:08 AM CST
I might not agree. Instead of humidity tolerant it should be aridity tolerant. Humidity is a major factor in incubation and I have a feeling most plants like incubation conditions. It is the aridity loving which should be a problem. Remember arid places also sometimes have high humidity and the plants there love it and go mad during this period.
Tee I tip my hat to you.
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Arif.
Name: Carole
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SongofJoy
Feb 2, 2013 9:51 AM CST
I think there are already places in the db to indicate if plants can tolerate aridity. As I recall, one checkbox says "suitable for xeriscaping" and so forth.
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Name: Arif Masud
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KAMasud
Feb 2, 2013 11:29 AM CST
But what do you mean by humidity, any thing that does not like arid conditions or are you looking for aquatic conditions? How much, what quantity of humidity would qualify for your conditions of humidity? We have 100% under foggy or Monsoons season but around 15% in April now under your definition of humidity which would qualify? If you are talking about muggy conditions then that should come under Tropical 80 to 100%. That to will be under rainy conditions plus heat or should I say time of year.
All the plants in the aquarium trade are not underwater plants year round. Only in the rainy season in the Amazons are they under water. Rest of the year their roots are in boggy conditions but their leaves are out of the water 100% humidity. By humidity are you looking for these plants?
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Arif.
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SongofJoy
Feb 2, 2013 11:32 AM CST
Folks who live in the Southern states here know what is meant by "humidity tolerant". It's a no-brainer, as they say. Smiling
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SongofJoy
Feb 2, 2013 11:37 AM CST
There's also already a box that says "suitable for bog gardening".
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Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
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KAMasud
Feb 2, 2013 1:42 PM CST
Ok! No problem. What you are talking about are areas adjacent to large bodies of water like the sea, inland lakes, marshes, swamps and as you pointed out bogs. Areas which never go below 50% humidity unless you are on a boat sailing. Like Karachi for example. Hot and muggy year round but still not a constant 100%. For this a simple statement "Does your humidity remain above 45% year round. Yes or no. Anything other will 1) narrow down the choice of plants beyond proportions 2) add to the confusion.
Anyway in Karachi we could grow almost everything you can imagine. Humidity is not a curse but a boon. The problem is in arid areas not humid areas. Rest Shrug! .
Cheers I tip my hat to you. ,
Arif.
Name: Carole
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SongofJoy
Feb 2, 2013 1:59 PM CST
Well, no, not necessarily talking about areas adjacent to bodies of water. In the American South, everywhere is humid like that during the summer months and beyond. When we step out the door here in the summer and are hit in the face with humidity of 80-90% we don't consider it a boon. Fungal and bacterial diseases exacerbated by heat and humidity burgeon at that time. Many plants can't tolerate that well and/or people have to constantly spray and treat them to keep down the diseases. It's often not worth it to grow those plants.

Nope, the problem is not with "dry". It's with moist (humid) air. In CA they grow almost everything (the vast majority of this country's fruits and vegetables) in the dry interior valleys of that state. No summer rainfall to speak of, little natural humidity during the summer ... irrigation.

The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched -- they must be felt with the heart. ~ Helen Keller
Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
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KAMasud
Feb 2, 2013 2:39 PM CST
Not fair. Fruits which you have in mind like Alpine conditions but there are fruits which maybe you may not know of but they thrive in muggy conditions. The fruits in your mind are also not American. Year round 80%/90%. Yes you do have a modifying factor in your climate in the shape of the Gulf of Mexico. Complete South, that statement is a bit to sweeping. The Gulf effects should be more pronounced on the East coast rather then the West coast. Currents should enter at a diagonal New Mexico grazing the Western corner of Missouri and beyond. Anything East of this diagonal should be somewhat as you describe. Even the snow storm a month back entered the US along these lines. Super saturated air from the Gulf. Instead of Apple grow Kiwi fruit. In place of grapes grow Jackfruit, Pineapple, etc and if you don't like these grow Sugar-apple (Annona squamosa), now this is proper American fruit. Go look at the Koppen classification http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Koppen_World_Map.png the area you are pointing out to me is "Cfa".
" f means significant precipitation in all seasons"
You wont find very many areas marked as Cfa. Central South America, part of East Central China and the area enclosed by the Great Barrier Reef. New Castle, Australia or should I say the Gold Coast. Exclusive ar'nt you? I tip my hat to you.
Regards,
Arif.
Name: Carole
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SongofJoy
Feb 2, 2013 4:22 PM CST
Whatever. I'm sure you're right about everything and I'm all wrong. What would I know. I only live here in the humid South. At any rate, the "humidity tolerant" box was already added awhile back. If you don't like it, you can always submit a proposal to have it deleted and explain your reasons to Dave.

This is all just too wearisome for me. Sad

Edited to correct spelling.



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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Feb 2, 2013 5:18 PM CST
I lived in Mississippi for two years. I totally know what you are talking about Tee. You can't even dry off after a shower during summer. We lived in the delta part of MS.
Hair and clothes would stick to you, all damp with moisture from air and body.

Sempervivum will not grow there. They soon rot and die.

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