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By valleylynn
January 1, 2010

A plant clinic for Sempervivum, Jovibarba and J. heuffelii. This is a companion article for the Sempervivum and Jovibarba forum.

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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Jul 29, 2010 1:37 PM CST
Dear Dr. Houseleeks, I am really confused by the label that came with this plant. Below is a picture of the label and another of the plant. It says Jovibarba heuffelii, but is is propagating like a roller (Jov.). I this possibly a cross between Jov. (roller type) and a heuff? What is with the name? Thumb of 2010-07-29/valleylynn/868d3e Thumb of 2010-07-29/valleylynn/280188

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twitcher
Jul 30, 2010 12:40 AM CST
Mislabeled plants are quite common and some people are very sloppy with names. I agree with you that this is very likely not a Jovibarba heuffelii.

Hybrids are definitely possible and I have seen listings of hybrids between heuffelii and other species of Jovibarba. However, if this is an interspecies hybrid, I think a better, more accurate label would have been appropriate.

I think your best bet is to contact the seller of this plant for further information. They may be able to help.
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BlueFox
Jul 30, 2010 6:55 AM CST
Gorgeous plant, anyway Lynn!
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Jul 30, 2010 10:19 AM CST
I just love this plant, and it seems to be very prolific. So now, on to researching.
Thank you Dr. Houseleeks for the prompt reply. I will see if I can contact the nursery, not sure that info is on the tag? What a bummer that will be if it isn't. Oh well, it will have to be just another NOID if not. : (
Doesn't change the fact that I love it. Big Grin

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twitcher
Jul 30, 2010 11:32 AM CST
Lynn, I am quite fond of the Jovi's which is probably no surprise here. Whenever I get an opportunity, I will add another Jovi, even if its not a heuffelii, to my collection. I have a number of Jovibarba hirta's, and that is what your picture looks like to me. However, there are hybrids between hirta and the other Jovi species as well.

I tried one almost by accident and found them very easy, very attractive plants. I think they may be the easiest of all of the hardy hen and chick families and recommend them for people just starting out with H&C's

Below is a picture of J. hirta f/Belansky Tatra for you to compare with your noid. It's a close up so you can get a good look at the leaves and structures.

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The same plant a month later showing the flower spike.

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The following is J. hirta 'Astrid'. Another closeup.

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Most of these stay bright green or even yellowish green for me, but I suspect they will color up like Astrid did given the right conditions.
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Jul 30, 2010 12:18 PM CST
Comparing the photos I would say mine is a different one. I will have to send you starts so you can do a comparison in the same conditions. I have J. hirta f/Belansky Tatra and it is different than my posting at the top of the page.

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twitcher
Jul 30, 2010 5:52 PM CST
They are all each slightly different and there are hybrids among the species. Do you think yours might be a hirta of some sort, just different from the ones I posted pics of or do you think it might not be a J. hirta? I am planning on getting you some more photos of some others.

From what I can make out in your picture, the chicks/rollers, however, look very similar to the hirta roller chicks. The pictures I posted were past the roller stage.
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
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valleylynn
Jul 30, 2010 6:47 PM CST
I think the best way to compare is for me to send you some. Thumbs up

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