ATP Podcast #6: Roses Week with Mike Shoup

By dave
February 13, 2013

This week Dave and Trish give their usual reports: Dave's favorite idea, Trish's report from around the forums, and Dave shares an interesting tip on how to take down huge trees without a chain saw. Our main feature is a special interview with Mike Shoup of the Antique Rose Emporium!

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Feb 12, 2013 8:22 PM CST
Plants Admin
Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
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I love Mike Shoup! His enthusiasm and his fascination with roses are so infectious.

And I'm blushing. *Blush* By the way, Dave, "delightful and hilarious" is also my capsule description of you. Smiling
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Feb 12, 2013 8:32 PM CST
Name: Neil
London\Kent Border
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Dear Dave and Trish, an ace podcast! I loved every minute if it and I agree Zuzu is incredible! Of course the rose is the national flower of England and is worn by our soccer players and Rugby players, who play for England.
Sorry to hear about your oaks, as we have plenty of them although they too are a bit wet and cold at the moment. It is -3 F here and is so cold with the wind.
Regards to you all from a very cold place.
Neil.
p.s I do hope your Magnolias are OK? We have Iris reticulata out with snowdrops and crocus at the same time, how strange the weather has been.
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Feb 12, 2013 8:32 PM CST
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Name: Dave Whitinger
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Now it's my turn to blush. Green Grin!
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Feb 12, 2013 8:32 PM CST
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Name: Dave Whitinger
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Thanks for the kind words, Neil!
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Feb 12, 2013 9:54 PM CST
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Name: Suzanne/Sue
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I LOVED this podcast!! I started listening to it and was grinning from ear to ear when you started describing Zuzu, had to pause it to go t-mail her to come here! Green Grin!
I knew Mike Shoup would be a good interview, I had seen him in a Youtube video and he is passionate about what he does.

And Hilarious! about the crashing tree tops!
Green Grin!

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Feb 12, 2013 10:21 PM CST
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Name: Dave Whitinger
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I love it! Hurray!
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Feb 13, 2013 4:37 AM CST
Name: Vicki
North Carolina
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I just LOVE these podcasts!

Did you see the pavilion and facilities where you can have a wedding, party, etc. How wonderful to be married surrounded by all those roses Lovey dubby

Pulling your trees down really resonated with me Dave. I can't wait to tell Hank your trick! We almost always pull our trees down so we can control where they fall. Last year we had to cut a live tree Crying because it was leaning toward the house.

We have a 40 foot extension ladder and Hank climbs as far as he can go and starts with logging chains and when those run out, we switch to ropes and hook it all up to the bobcat. As he is cutting, I keep "some" tension on the chains and ropes and keep watch on the top of the tree. When I see it ready to go, I start driving FAST Green Grin! He also does something with transit to figure out how tall the tree is so he knows where the top will land. The math is too far over my head but I'm sure you understand it. He hasn't missed yet. Whistling

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Feb 13, 2013 7:29 AM CST
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Name: Dave Whitinger
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Great photos Vic. Trish and I do things a lot the way you and Hank do, but we don't have a bobcat. Smiling
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Feb 13, 2013 8:07 AM CST
Name: Vicki
North Carolina
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When we moved from OH, our neighbor called and asked Hank if he could buy his bobcat thinking Hank wasn't going to bring it down here. Hank said he would sell his wife before he sold his bobcat - kidding...

He bought it new in1986 so it's old but sure has paid for itself.

You have a huge tractor, that would work, huh?
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Feb 13, 2013 8:13 AM CST
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Name: Dave Whitinger
Southlake, Texas (Zone 8a)
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We do have a couple of tractors and we have indeed used them in taking down a few trees. Smiling The trick is not going too much and snapping the rope!!
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Feb 13, 2013 11:34 AM CST
Name: Christine
North East Texas (Zone 7b)
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Great podcast! and I'm a Mike Shoup fan now too!

We lost so many trees, some of our huge hickory trees but mostly oaks in the same drought you all are talking about. Dave, I'm going to have to replay the podcast for my hubby to listen to your tree pulling instrutions. He recently went and bought a bigger chainsaw just for cutting down dead trees. No tractor or Bobcat (it's at the top of his wish-list) but he has used the truck to assist in pulling the trees after they fell.
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Feb 13, 2013 2:57 PM CST
Name: Neil
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Dear Dave, we buy ex military Land Rovers as they are dirt cheap. Take the original engine out and put a Rover V8 in the normally tired out engines place. A Land Rover will go anywhere being a 4X4 and have proven themselves world wide. They come, well the early ones did with a PTO like a tractor and most have winches front and rear. These winches can pull most things and are fed by electric on a remote control, that is very controllable. The original steel hawser on the winches is far too thick for pulling tress down, and not long enough. So the lads on the farm change the original cable for a thinner alloy one that is long and strong. Then it is easy to pull trees with one of them and to connect a shredder/chipper to the back of it on the PTO. All the small branches we shred or chip as you may call it, as I use the wood if suitable to smoke food with!
Regards to all.
Neil.
p.s this one has not got a winch on the front!
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Feb 13, 2013 3:01 PM CST
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Name: Dave Whitinger
Southlake, Texas (Zone 8a)
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Impressive! I can surely imagine an almost unlimited number of uses for such a vehicle.
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Feb 13, 2013 9:14 PM CST
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
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I loved the podcast with Mike Shoup. Loved what he said about not using commercial fertilizers, makes sense that his method would keep roses much healthier.

Sure would love to meet Zuzu in person, loved the way you described her.
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