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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Feb 28, 2013 6:25 PM CST
Bukiniczia cabulica, what a fascinating plant. I would love to try growing this. Does anyone have plants or seed for sale or trade?
Name: Caroline Scott
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CarolineScott
May 24, 2014 2:45 AM CST
In 2012, I obtained seeds from the NARGS seed swap.
These were done as winter sow, and produced two plants.
One died on transplant, and I was hoping the other would come back after the winter.

This spring 2014, seeds were from Plant World Seeds in the UK.
They were sown onto moist vermiculite and placed under fluorescent lights.
Germination was in 6 days in very warm basement at 75 ºF.

Dr. Deno calls this plant Dictyolimon macrorrhabdos and says it needs 70ºF and light.
Other names for it is:--- Aeoniopsis cabulica
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
May 24, 2014 2:47 AM CST
How are the seedlings doing Caroline? Do you have a photo of them? Are they winter hardy for you?
Name: Caroline Scott
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CarolineScott
May 24, 2014 2:50 AM CST
Our spring is late this year so I am still waiting to see if that one plant shows up.
Will do photo of current seedlings.
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
May 24, 2014 3:11 AM CST
Thank you so much Caroline. I really want to learn more about this amazing plant.
Name: Caroline Scott
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CarolineScott
May 24, 2014 3:17 AM CST
Will keep you posted on my experience with it.
It is described as a hardy biennial in the UK, so I do not expect flowers until 2015.
Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
May 24, 2014 4:09 AM CST

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According to the Catalogue of Life, all three of these names (Bukiniczia cabulica, Aeoniopsis cabulica, and Dictyolimon macrorrhabdos) are accepted names and are not synonymous. This means either that the research has not reached the point of reclassification or that they are three separate plants. This could explain the differences in their descriptions. The Russian site mentioned in one of the threads pertaining to the plant, for example, says the plant is described by various sources as perennial, biennial, and monocarpic.
Name: Lori
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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growitall
May 24, 2014 8:38 AM CST
The plant which people are showing under the name Bukiniczia cabulica at this site is a biennial/monocarp and hardy down to at least zone 3.
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
May 24, 2014 12:29 PM CST
Zuzu, thank you for the information. On further study it shows that:
Bukiniczia cabulica is an accepted name. http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/search/all/key/+Bukiniczi...
http://www.specialplants.net/shop/seeds/bukiniczia_cabulica/
According to this site Bukiniczia cabulica is the accepted name, and the other two names are synonyms. http://www.cgf.net/plantdetails.aspx?id=4022
http://navigate.botanicgardens.org/weboi/oecgi2.exe/INET_ECM...
Interesting information on this site http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=sv&u=http://a... Disregard some of the text, but it does explain why it is sometimes listed as a perennial.

Aeoniopsis cabulica is an unresolved name (The Plant List http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/kew-2623532 )
All the photos I find using Google Search show the same plant we are talking about in this thread. One blog site makes this statement: "Bukiniczia cabulica (formerly Aeoniopsis cabulica) is a biennial that forms offsets, but will also self-seed if you let it". Bukiniczia cabulica (formerly Aeoniopsis cabulica) is a biennial that forms offsets, but will also self-seed if you let it.
Read more: http://ourlittleacre.blogspot.com/2012_02_01_archive.html#ix...
Zuzu do you know anything about this site? http://www.gbif.org/species/4089428
This site shows Aeoniopsis cabulica to be the name, and Bukiniczia cabulica to be a synonym. http://www.plantnames.eu/geslachten/index.php?option=com_con...

Dictyolimon macrorrhabdos
http://eol.org/pages/5490798/media
http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/discussion/underglass/Nov...
http://www.cambridge2000.com/gallery/html/P8087907.html
http://data.rbge.org.uk/service/taxa/index.php?genus=Dictyol...
http://www.biologie.uni-ulm.de/cgi-bin/query_all/details.pl?...
http://calphotos.berkeley.edu/cgi/img_query?where-taxon=Dict...


According to COL two of these names are accepted names, one is considered to be a provisionally accepted name.
Bukiniczia cabulica is an accepted name
Aeoniopsis is considered a provisionally accepted name
Dictyolimon macrorrhabdos is an accepted name

Research on photos under these three names show them all to be the same plant. So how would we handle that in our Database? I agree with Lori at this time for the three names. Seems to me that Bukiniczia cabulica should be the accepted name and the other two be listed as synonyms.

Lori, I am so glad you joined this conversation. I see you have this plant. How long have you had it. Did you start yours from seed? Have you had the opportunity to remove the bloom stalk, thus forcing the plant into the perennial category? Would love to hear your experience with this plant as I would like to become successful in growing it.
Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
May 24, 2014 12:49 PM CST

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Thanks for all of the links, Lynn, but they're not links to taxonomic sites. The information in our database is taken from taxonomic databases, and we therefore have entries for all three names. As long as the COL lists them as accepted names (or provisionally accepted names) rather than synonyms, we'll keep all three entries open. Similarities in appearance and habit are important characteristics, but they aren't the deciding factor. At some point, DNA tests will be performed to learn whether these three plants are the same. If they are, two of the names will be reclassified as synonyms. Until that has been done and the information in the Catalogue of Life has been changed, we'll continue to have three entries for the three plants.
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
May 24, 2014 1:17 PM CST
Thank You! for the explanation.
Name: Lori
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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growitall
May 24, 2014 2:08 PM CST
valleylynn said:
Lori... I see you have this plant. How long have you had it. Did you start yours from seed? Have you had the opportunity to remove the bloom stalk, thus forcing the plant into the perennial category? Would love to hear your experience with this plant as I would like to become successful in growing it.


I've only had it since 2011, grown from seed that was wild-collected from the Batura Glacier area in Pakistan. A couple of plants have overwintered twice but they are still very small so I don't expect any blooming this year. Other rock gardeners here grow it very successfully, and have it self-sowing. When/if mine form flower stalks, I will just let them bloom to (hopefully) shed seeds. (The blooming is rather an anticlimax with this plant, since it's the foliage that's the show)

Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
May 24, 2014 2:16 PM CST
Do you know what type of winter conditions they prefer? Also what the best conditions are for self seeding?
Name: Lori
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growitall
May 25, 2014 5:28 PM CST
Well, since this is a plant that's hardy in a chinook-prone zone 3, I'd say it's not especially finicky! Smiling Chances are that winter wet would do it no good, as a guess.
Any non-sterile plant that gets pollinated is capable of self-seeding, so the second question isn't really answerable. If a hardy plant is grown and produces seed and the seed drops on the ground (rather than getting blown or washed away or eaten by something), then it pretty much falls to chance as to how many seedlings you end up with.
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
May 25, 2014 7:51 PM CST
I will give it another try.
Name: Caroline Scott
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CarolineScott
Jan 30, 2015 11:06 PM CST
I am not sure as to what happened with my 2014 seedlings----
-I was away a great deal of the time last year?

Started another batch in my kitchen.
On moist vermiculite at 70ºF or 20ºC
Sown on 23 January and there are sprouts today on the 30 January.
Not really under much light, but warm.
I hope that I can keep these going!
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Jan 31, 2015 12:25 AM CST
Caroline that is great news. It sure didn't take them long to germinate. I would love to see photos of what they look like when they first sprout.
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Nov 21, 2015 4:14 PM CST
@CarolineScott
How are your seedlings doing?

@zuzu
Revisiting this thread and checked Catalogue of Life. Seems that they have now changed Aeoniopsis cabulica as being a synonym of Bukiniczia cabulica as of September 2015.

Dictyolimon macrorrhabdos is still an accepted name.
Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Nov 21, 2015 4:23 PM CST

Plants Admin

Thanks for staying on top of this, Lynn. I've updated our records to reflect this change.
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Nov 21, 2015 4:34 PM CST
Thank you so much zuzu. You are such a big help in researching and understanding some of the difficult calls on these plants.

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